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Post by WDB on Aug 22, 2024 10:14:56 GMT
Some. But far less than the Regeneration Is Magic lobby imagine. What you will improve on is the 30 percent efficiency.
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Post by EspadaIII on Aug 22, 2024 10:18:25 GMT
Having done a nice long downhill in my EV, the excitement one gets when not only does the range increase, but the battery charge also increases, is immeasureable.
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Post by Humph on Aug 22, 2024 10:25:15 GMT
My Mk1 Panda (903cc and four gears) was quite noisy going over the Alps with skis on the roof, kit in the back and people in it. Did it though, a few times, albeit not very quickly!
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Post by dixinormus on Aug 22, 2024 10:32:24 GMT
Any vehicle uses more fuel going up, but coasts downhill on the other side to balance it out, surely?!
Another wild card: Kia Stinger.
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Post by EspadaIII on Aug 22, 2024 10:42:15 GMT
Have mercy on him... He's got two kids in private school... He can't afford to drive with a petrol tanker on his rear bumper filling up the car every 20 miles.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2024 10:56:51 GMT
I haven't...I've got one in private school and one in University.
I hadn't realised the Stinger was a hatch, I thought it was a saloon. Hmm. Wonder what the rear legroom's like.
Fuel consumption is a low priority for a low mileage car, as I've said before. 95% of our mileage is on cheap rate leccy.
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Post by Humph on Aug 22, 2024 11:01:42 GMT
Stinger? Phoar! Now yer whistling’ dixi!
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Post by bpg on Aug 22, 2024 11:10:00 GMT
If life weren't so short I'd like to take the EV over the top of the St Gotthard Pass and see just how much energy would be returned after the heat pump was cooling the cabin and the battery pack and cooling the motor working flat out as a generator.
I've seen the range and battery level rise regenerating in the Eifel park though those descents are nothing compared with the Alps and relatively short.
After weeks of driving 50 miles/day to the office in my diesel I always find, after two hundred miles, on a longer trip I've got 100+ miles more range than when I started.
On the one hand I can see the benefit of regen in an EV though always end up thinking it would be better if that energy had just been left in the battery until it was needed. Constantly converting chemical energy to kinetic and back to chemical results in lost energy.
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Post by WDB on Aug 22, 2024 13:08:54 GMT
Any vehicle uses more fuel going up, but coasts downhill on the other side to balance it out, surely?! Coasts, yes. Recovers a bit, in the case of an EV, yes. Balances the energy expended in getting up the hill? Nowhere near. I...it would be better if that energy had just been left in the battery until it was needed. Constantly converting chemical energy to kinetic and back to chemical results in lost energy. Exactly. Motoring journos have done a lot of harm with this idea that energy regenerated through braking is somehow free. EV coasting is an eye-opening experience all the same. I've always tried to manage my speed as far as possible in fossil cars by lifting off early and slowing down naturally without the brakes - at least, I though it was natural. Doing the same in the iX has shown me that, even in a 35mph/1000rpm gear attached to a big diesel engine, there's a whole lotta braking going on. There's a long, straightish hill near me on which I used to paddle the CLS into 7th (of 7) to roll down with minimal inputs and arrive at the bottom at a decent speed. If I try that in the iX's D mode, the increase in speed is surprising verging on alarming, so little resistance does the drivetrain offer. It also picks up speed when coasting down motorway inclines, which no fossil car I've ever driven has done. Very different experience.
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Post by EspadaIII on Aug 22, 2024 13:49:03 GMT
When it is very wet (frequently as Humph would have you believe) my regeneration system doesn't work for a mile or so. That distance includes a downhill stretch along a busy suburban arterial route. Heck, the car just runs away . It's quite scary until you understand what is going on.
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Post by bpg on Aug 22, 2024 15:49:49 GMT
My KIA puts between 2 and 3kW back freewheeling down the road. That's roughly what an electric kettle consumes.
What got me thinking about the regen was only replacing the front discs on my diesel Volvo after 13 years and the second set of pads. The discs were cream crackered not because of wear but corrosion on the inner surfaces. The rear discs are worn out every 50,000 miles with an interim pads change at half that distance. The cause, torque vector braking through software.
Watching the regen since the oxygen sensor was replaced the car appears happiest between 70 and 80 mph on cruise control 1,750-2,000 rpm when regenerating. It also, surprisingly to me, regenerates quite efficiently on overrun leaving it in a high gear slowing for a roundabout or whatever. That also reduces the soot level when it is not regenerating. Every day is indeed a school day.
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Post by WDB on Aug 22, 2024 16:18:03 GMT
Not sure I follow. This is DPF regen, presumably. How do you monitor that?
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Post by bpg on Aug 22, 2024 17:03:47 GMT
Yes, DPF regen. Watch it through the OBDII port.
Run software on my phone shows soot level, DPF temp., pressure even see the glow plugs fire up to around 50% for that final bit of heat to around 640°C.
Can watch the EGR valve at the same time.
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Post by Rob on Aug 22, 2024 19:04:19 GMT
I never had anything for the OBDII port when I had a diesel. I wonder what the Mazda6 I had would report when it was dumping diesel into the exhaust?
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Post by WDB on Aug 22, 2024 20:22:38 GMT
Yes, DPF regen. Watch it through the OBDII port. Run software on my phone shows soot level, DPF temp., pressure even see the glow plugs fire up to around 50% for that final bit of heat to around 640°C. Can watch the EGR valve at the same time. German TV not got any better then?
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