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Post by WDB on Oct 29, 2019 16:51:06 GMT
It won’t be a convertible. Not even a yellow one. Proper Saabs are hatchbacks.
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Post by Humph on Oct 29, 2019 16:56:24 GMT
Oh I get that, just saying though, for some reason a Saab convertible is cool. As long as it's navy blue of course. Old Merc convertibles can be too mind you, as long as they are burgundy red.
My Westfield was a joyous thing, but it could be embarrassing in the wrong circumstances.
Anyway, just buy it, looks a good 'un. WCPGW? 😉
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Post by tyrednexited on Oct 29, 2019 17:08:10 GMT
My Westfield was a joyous thing, but it could be embarrassing in the wrong circumstances........ ..... especially every time it got "name-dropped"......
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Post by Humph on Oct 29, 2019 17:10:34 GMT
I could tell you more about it if you wanted? Not sure that I've ever mentioned it much? 🤓
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Post by tyrednexited on Oct 29, 2019 17:29:38 GMT
.....please, go ahead.
Though I fear I may miss it. I feel the need to take my library books back....
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2019 22:48:32 GMT
Saab drivers, almost certainly only in my imagination, looked like people who were probably actually good at something, rather than people who just wanted to look like they might be. Feel free to scoff or ignore of course. 😉 Hence allegedly popular with architects. Think you can take that both ways. But that was always the impression; driven by technically competent designerish people. But once they became Vauxhalls in drag the writing was on the wall. The 900 would have been so much better based upon an Accord rather than a Vectra.
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Post by Avant on Oct 29, 2019 23:28:29 GMT
I wonder if there were any particular models that people replaced their Saabs with - either when GM took over or at the end of the line in about 2011. Pre-GM, CAR magazine called them 'thoughtful cars for thoughtful people' - much as Humph and Espada have said above. On two occasions in the 1990s I nearly had a Saab 9000.....so that makes me nearly a thoughtful person. Actually I was glad I didn't: I went for big Renaults both times which ran faultlessly over big mileages, whereas two colleagues with Saabs had a lot of trouble.
If not a Renault (and definitely not in the early 2000s), what else? Something a litte bit understated. Perhaps Honda Accord....VW Passat....Mercedes 190E....Volvo 850 (a lot less tank-like than the 240 and 740). Audi probably picked up some sales here: in the 90s they weren't tarred with the same 'brash' brush as BMWs.
I test-drove a 9-3 diesel estate in about 2007: truly horrible. Noisy, sluggish and cheap and nasty inside. A VW Golf estate was the final choice then - a good one, followed by the three excellent Octavia vRSs. Maybe Skodas too qualify as a thinking person's choice.
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Post by WDB on Oct 30, 2019 9:17:34 GMT
Saabs were a viable choice right through the 1990s and still available in 2002, when I made the jump to Volvo — although, by then, not to me under a revised company car scheme. I had thoroughly liked and enjoyed my two hatchback Saabs, a ‘GM’ 900 and the superficially similar but much-improved 9-3 that followed. People who deride these cars as ‘Cavaliers’ clearly haven’t had one, because all the human-centred Saab qualities are present and correct.
But I probably wouldn’t have had a new 9-3 anyway, partly because the new car needed to be diesel and Saab’s bought-in diesel engine was terrible, and partly because Saab’s GM masters were intent on losing their distinctiveness by making the 9-3 a me-too saloon like Audi’s. So I registered my own protest by choosing someone else’s saloon car (because my budget wouldn’t run to a Volvo estate) but with a much, much better diesel engine. And I kept it for 13 years.
But it wasn’t really till Audi produced the five-door A5 (a car I don’t actually like very much) that there was a big, smart hatchback in the 900 mould. (Trouble with Audis is they’re just too damn mainstream these dats.) And I’d nominate the BMW 330i GT as the closest to a 900 you can buy today, with the bonus of much more passenger space in the back. I may even buy one — although I have no reason yet to consider replacing the CLS and, by the time I do, there’ll be a viable electric option from someone.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2019 10:52:58 GMT
Avant is right - The real eye opener in the 1990s was the Volvo 850 which took Touring Car racing by storm with the estate. That changed the popular view of Volvo overnight and made it desirable in the eyes of would be 'premium brand' buyers. I suspect Volvo would also be down the pan without that stroke of genius.
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Post by WDB on Oct 30, 2019 11:16:03 GMT
The 850 was also the first Volvo with a five-cylinder engine, which set the pattern for the next 25 years.
Oddly, though, you don’t see so many about these days. Still plenty of 740s and 940s.
But I think what kept Volvo afloat was Ford’s money and access to the Focus platform. It let them develop competitive smaller offerings that were actually nice to drive while being distinctive from the mainstream — and yet not cannibalizing Volvo’s market for its larger cars. A V50 of that era was still recognizably a Volvo inside, but if you wanted the full-Volvo seats and interior, you still had to buy a 60, 70 or 80. Saab, by contrast, was reduced by GM to putting Astra instruments into the 9-3. They did their best, but they hardly had a chance.
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Post by Rob on Oct 30, 2019 13:24:26 GMT
Saab were forced to base the 9-3 on the Vectra. But they so heavily reengineered it that it cost them a lot of money. The whole point of platform sharing is to reduce costs. They might as well have done their own thing anyway.
Platform sharing has come a long way though. Take the VW Group MQB platform which underpins cars using the A0 variant like the VW Polo or Skoda Skala up to the Superb and everything in between like an Audi TT.
I find motor journalists quite lazy these days. Read something about the prototype Octavia they were driving and said because it was based on the same MQB platform as the previous model it has the same hard points and the same wheelbase.... well why does it need to have the same wheelbase?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2019 8:34:13 GMT
Oh God here we go I'm searching Autotrader for SAABs again.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2019 10:06:53 GMT
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Post by Humph on Nov 28, 2019 10:23:37 GMT
Three years with a Navara and I could have that, free... 🤓
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Post by WDB on Nov 28, 2019 11:18:40 GMT
That is lovely. Very expensive, but does seem to have been well cared for.
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