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Post by WDB on Jan 5, 2018 18:21:06 GMT
First year-on-year drop in sales since the banking crisis, apparently, although I suspect the headline doesn't tell the entire story. www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-42571828Big drop in diesel sales; a Radio 4 vox pop found people who think all diesel vehicles are about to be excluded from London. But probably other factors too, such as the continued squeeze on real incomes.
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Post by Avant on Jan 5, 2018 23:14:35 GMT
As well as the squeeze on real incomes, the continuing uncertainty about the effects of Brexit mean that more people play safe and keep their cars, and houses, a bit longer.
Britain may end up no worse off economically, but no-one really has a clue whether we will or we won't. I was a reluctant remainer - more of a fan of the original Common Market than the bloated, bureaucratic EU, but I didn't think Brexit was worth the risk.
Even though it's Euro 6 compliant, my diesel V60 has lost half its value in two years. It could get even worse if the bottom drops out of the diesel market, and I think it'll have to go sooner rather than later. I wanted a petrol one in the first place, but they were difficult to find and the only petrol engine apart from the expensive hybrid was sluggish. Keeping it long-term would make more sense, but despite being nearly 70 I haven't grown up enough to appreciate its solid virtues that counter-balance its heavy, lifeless steering and stodgy handling. I shouldn't still enjoy driving, should I!
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Post by WDB on Jan 6, 2018 11:43:40 GMT
The current 60s (the V40 too, for that matter) are a big disappointment compared with the first-generation S60 that I had for so long. Hard to put my finger on why - easier with the V40, which is cramped and hard to see out of - but it may be that Volvo is trying too hard to be 'design-led' and has lost the human-centred simplicity that used to make its products so likeable. I didn't warm to the S90 either, so I didn't bother to go back when the dealer got a V90 demonstrator.
This makes me sad; Swedishness is a good thing and the world needs more of it. But Swedishness must never be flashy.
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Post by tyrednexited on Jan 6, 2018 12:01:31 GMT
..I had a 2001 (Petrol) V70 as a company car. (Petrol as Volvo were changing their engine range at the time, and diesels were temporarily unavailable for order).
It was bought after an extended test-drive because the car impressed with the basic solidness, simplicity and understated good-looks, though the rear-seat space could have been better. (as it was generally used by two kids, that was less of a problem than it might have been).
It had some minor issues with front suspension/steering (I think the particular problem resulted in a manufacturer TSB, and then possibly a later recall), but not much else, and the vehicle is remembered with quite a bit of affection.
In fact, at last MOT (which incidentally, expired yesterday and does not appear to have been renewed), it had done 178K miles! (despite much of its later life appearing to be rather in a state of neglect).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2018 19:54:34 GMT
I confess to being an S80 owner (a 2.9 6-cyl model from 1999). Great car with lovely power, magnificent seats and superb driver/car interface. Contrast with current models which are far less attractive to sit in. I just don't fancy one now, but I could be tempted by a V70 T5 from 20 years ago...
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Post by dixinormus on Jan 7, 2018 20:37:53 GMT
I'd echo EspadaIII's comments.
I had a 2003 S60 with the 2-litre 5-cylinder turbo. Still miss it! Mind you, 34mpg at the time, which didn't seem too bad 12 years ago but would be more disconcerting by today's standards..!
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Post by WDB on Jan 7, 2018 20:42:19 GMT
34 is about what I'm getting from my 2013 diesel CLS. Hmmm...
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Post by Rob on Jan 7, 2018 21:03:29 GMT
I am getting a long term average of 32mpg from the Superb (brim to brim) so far but that includes a lot of local travel. In fact I've only done 3 return journeys that were further than 350 miles (return) each. So long motorway cruising trips about 50% of the mileage. Average cost per mile so far is about 16p. The A3 was 14p (petrol was cheaper too and that was over 3 years) and the previous Passat CC diesel was also 16p a mile.
The car thinks it's doing better. I've accidentally reset the long term data though.
I'm happy enough with the mpg.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2018 11:02:01 GMT
My previous 4.9 mpkwh has dropped to 4.4 in the winter. Still using the same tank of diesel I put in the E in September, so don't really care how many mpgs it's doing. Had to do a tip run in the E yesterday, it gives me the old "Battery Protection: Convenience Functions Disabled" message every time I start it up now. Bloody great puff of smoke pulling away from some lights coming back from the tip. Yuck.
Can't see me ever buying another diesel. If the E dies, I'll probably get a big petrol. E500 would be nice. Or a 9-5 Aero estate. *autotrader calls...*
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Post by WDB on Jan 9, 2018 8:27:24 GMT
My previous 4.9 mpkwh has dropped to 4.4 in the winter. Ours is somewhere in the mid-threes, but that includes quite a lot of pre-conditioning and some motorway speeds, at which an electric car really lays bare the relationship between speed and energy consumption. Its eagerness can be a factor too, if you don't rein it in; MrsB1 inadvertently booted it to 87 out of one sliproad last week. At that speed it's mechanically fine, but you do feel the effects of the short wheelbase and narrow tyres; it is no CLS on the motorway. Still 4p a mile, though. And I drove ten miles home from Maidenhead yesterday without touching the brake pedal at all.
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Post by lygonos on Jan 9, 2018 19:42:17 GMT
12kWh to defrost from -6.5ºc, warm the car and drive 23 miles to Edinburgh on Monday morning. Typically getting 2.0-2.5mpkWh for first few miles then 3.0mpkWh thereafter. Pulls like a train to 100. Still 0p per mile for fuel after 6500 miles
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Post by WDB on Jan 10, 2018 23:12:30 GMT
Yours will allow you 100, Lygo? Ours is limited to 93 (150 km/h) which may be to do with how much braking effort those skinny tyres can sustain. It felt steady enough when MrsB1 inadvertently booted it to 87 on joining the A404 last week. Didn't take long to get there either!
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Post by lygonos on Jan 10, 2018 23:44:35 GMT
Yeah, limited to 100mph - presumably without a limiter would manage about 130mph as it has 180bhp.
The motor is likely capable of a lot more (restricted Tesla unit) but 1. it already spins the wheels quite easily, and 2. the battery would run out very quickly at autobahn speeds
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Post by WDB on Jan 11, 2018 6:55:43 GMT
... 2. the battery would run out very quickly at autobahn speeds Careful! You'll set Sven off.
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Post by commerdriver on Jan 11, 2018 13:50:05 GMT
Yours will allow you 100, Lygo? Ours is limited to 93 (150 km/h) which may be to do with how much braking effort those skinny tyres can sustain. It felt steady enough when MrsB1 inadvertently booted it to 87 on joining the A404 last week. Didn't take long to get there either! Was that uphill from the Marlow junction or at one of the flatter bits at the south end ? How times change, I can boot my current car quickly to NSL uphill from the A4155, when we first moved there my Mk5 Cortina 1.6 estate was struggling to get up to 70 before the hill started to flatten up nearer Handy Cross.
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