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Post by Hofmeister on Jun 9, 2017 16:36:55 GMT
Genuinely, if Labour had won, within two years I would have sorted out my affairs and would have been off to where the Jews are welcome; Israel, USA, Canada or Australia. Most likely Israel as I can walk right in, but it doesn't matter. I would go, take my money with me and leave about 25 staff without jobs. Callous I know, but Corbyn would sell me down the river for a handshake with a terrorist. I can safely say that am not even a tiny blip on the Holocaust Denier scale, on the other hand I wonder if you are not actually inventing a new one? British Jews have outlasted and outseen worse than the likes of Corbyn, and will continue to do so in the future. |
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Post by Hofmeister on Jun 9, 2017 16:39:56 GMT
Where did all the Brexit voters go? What about all the people who voted Tory in the local elections? What made them change in such a short time? A most importantly what happens now? More or less equally spread between Tories and Labour. At least we appear to have cremated the twitching corpse of UKIP, so thats an achievement. |
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Post by tyrednexited on Jun 9, 2017 16:41:23 GMT
Beers are on Otto. We convene at the Pack Saddle, Mapledurham. 6 o'clock sharp. Kebabs after. B*gger; I think I'm still barred. (Have to make do with a Scweinesteack and a glass of Mosel Riesling.) |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2017 17:04:24 GMT
Where did all the Brexit voters go? They didn't go anywhere, they reverted to form for a General Election. I think I called it the Sunderland dilemma in the other GE thread. Sunderland was one of the first if not the first to declare in favour of Brexit but there wasn't a hope in hell that in a General Election Sunderland would turn blue on the electoral map. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2017 11:00:57 GMT
I hope you are right. However, if you read the news and live in my area you may feel differently. Jews are leaving France in droves because of Islamic threats; two kosher restaurants within 1/2 mile of my house were fire bombed last week. One had no effect, but one was severely damaged. One attack may be vandalism but two is anti-semitism at work. The abuse shouted at me from cars when I am walking about on a Saturday is regular. I would say every Saturday someone I know has been the subject of abuse; last Jewish New Year a passenger in a Transit was wielding an axe at people coming home from the synagogue shouting 'we're coming for you'. I witnessed this personally and the Police were excellent, but that is day-to-day life for Jewish people in the UK.
May and Cameron before her tried to do something about it, but Corbyn ignores it and encourages it, especially within his party. Many Muslim candidates openly advertised that Corbyn would help to remove the Jews from Palestine.
Anyway, I am here now. Lets see what transpires over the next two years.
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Post by Alanović on Jun 12, 2017 8:59:44 GMT
I am staggered and disgusted to hear those words, EIII. I truly had no idea that open abuse in the streets was a thing.
Shocking.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2017 9:23:08 GMT
Alan - unless one lives in the main areas of Jewish occupation, one probably never sees Jewish people (there are only 300,000 in the UK and the vast majority do not look like this )...  So you would never know if you saw one. So anti-semitism directed at individuals cannot occur if there are no Jews around. I don't look like that but I frequently wear a skullcap like this....  as do many of my friends (we all wear one on Saturdays or at synagogue attendance) and it is remarkable when I go out how many people come up to me and ask ".. are you Jewish..?". This happened to me last year in a National Trust property in Leicestershire - asked by a teacher of religious studies at a local school! So people rarely meet Jewish people or perhaps do not realise they have met Jewish people. This lack of familiarity creates the breeding ground for antisemitic attitudes to gain traction. There are huge numbers of people in an around Manchester and London (the two largest Jewish communities in the UK) for who meeting Jewish people is common and can recognise us at a hundred paces, because of the familiarity. Usually accompanied by the words "...do you know....?" or "...my Dad/Mum used to work for Mr Cohen..." Then it is all good. Corbyn's antisemitism is more sinister. He permits and probably condones a general feeling of antipathy towards Jews in general and those who are generally supportive of Israel in particular. Hence the concern felt by almost all Jews in the UK that we are vulnerable to attack with the government of the day being unwilling to defend us, like back in the 1930s in Europe. It is a fear genuinely felt by many of us - in recent days the conversations have turned to the lines of "...I wonder if this is how the Jews of Germany felt when Hitler was making his speeches before he came to power in 1933?..." |
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Post by Humph on Jun 12, 2017 10:58:08 GMT
Leaping off at a tangent, I've sometimes wondered where the tradition of wearing a symbolic head covering originates from? It can be seen in a number of religious groups, turbans, burkas, headscarves etc. as well as skull caps.
Suppose I could google it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2017 11:16:45 GMT
From a Jewish perspective originally men did not cover their heads. Women did and probably in biblical times wore scarves. In Numbers 5:11-31 there is a description of the way a woman who is suspected of adultery is treated. The relevant point is that at one point she is to 'uncover her hair' implying that it was at all previous times covered. Hence the reason why orthodox Jewish women cover their hair at religious events and those a little more observant have their hair covered at all times when it could be viewed by anyone other than immediate family.
It only became compulsory for men about 1,000 - 800 years ago. The different styles of headgear frequently depict membership of different sects or religious/political viewpoint.
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