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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 6:10:52 GMT
22 dead. Tragic, especially when children are amongst the victims.
I'm OK. friend of my son at the concert but she is OK. I drove past not an hour before. The city will be quiet today. The Arena is also part of a major transport hub so that will be interesting today.
My wife said why don't they search everyone, but it was in a public area so impossible to do that.
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Post by Alanović on May 23, 2017 8:45:05 GMT
Glad you're not directly affected, thought of you on my way to work this morning.
I have no words for this atrocity. No words.
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Post by WDB on May 23, 2017 8:45:29 GMT
Yes. Feeling dismay and, as we're getting used to with these things, the hope that we don't overreact and so play into the hands of those who hate us for our liberty and liberalism.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 12:23:41 GMT
Discovering more people who we know were at the concert. Remarkably none injured or worse (as afar as we know). Still people missing - I don't know what is worse knowing you have lost loved one, or simply knowing nothing and not being able to contact them.
I think we get it right in the UK. The stiff upper lip and general support of neighbours works really well here. No knee-jerk reactions. No civil liberties prevented unless absolutely necessary. I have one Muslim member of staff who simply hates the perpetrators and their cohorts; he is more British than I am. People like him will eventually get the message over that this type of behaviour does his community no good, but it will take time.
The sad thing is that the culprit targeted children. That is just so beyond the pale.
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Post by Rob on May 23, 2017 13:25:16 GMT
First I heard about it last night was in an email from my brother. He saw it on the news in California. Devastating event. Daughter of my wife's friend/colleague was there last night - she thankfully is okay and didn't really know what had happened last night. Just heard a loud bang when coming out. She was lucky she came out of another exit.
How could someone target innocent children like last night.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 21:28:50 GMT
How can a Mancunian do that to his own city?
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Post by Hofmeister on May 24, 2017 8:30:05 GMT
How can a Mancunian do that to his own city? Couldnt afford the train fare to Euston?
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2017 21:11:23 GMT
How can a Mancunian do that to his own city? Maybe he didn't see himself as a Mancunian. From what I've read he was born in Manchester after his parents had moved there from Libya but that, from my own experience of growing up in the UK, does not make you a local. The locals (not specific to Manchester here) sometimes do not accept you until you're four or five generations in. On the other side there are certain groups who do not want to be part of society. This is by no means excusing what a cowardly act it was attacking children, teenagers and parents. Just throwing this out there and I'm sure someone here can answer it, as I see it we have returned to the 70s and 80s with indiscriminate attacks on the public with a twist. Back then the aggressors had an end goal to be engaged, we had something they wanted to be a part of. Moving on to now, the aggressors have no wish to be engaged. There are three separate bodies in Africa, Yemen, and Syria/Iraq/Iran. Their aim is to see everything turned to dust. There is nothing we have that they want other than total waste. How do you engage with that ?
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2017 21:40:11 GMT
How can a Mancunian do that to his own city? Maybe he didn't see himself as a Mancunian. From what I've read he was born in Manchester after his parents had moved there from Libya but that, from my own experience of growing up in the UK, does not make you a local. The locals (not specific to Manchester here) sometimes do not accept you until you're four or five generations in. On the other side there are certain groups who do not want to be part of society. This is by no means excusing what a cowardly act it was attacking children, teenagers and parents. Just throwing this out there and I'm sure someone here can answer it, as I see it we have returned to the 70s and 80s with indiscriminate attacks on the public with a twist. Back then the aggressors had an end goal to be engaged, we had something they wanted to be a part of. Moving on to now, the aggressors have no wish to be engaged. There are three separate bodies in Africa, Yemen, and Syria/Iraq/Iran. Their aim is to see everything turned to dust. There is nothing we have that they want other than total waste. How do you engage with that ? Two Points: - 1. I know many people who are second or third generation Mancunians, myself included and my Moslem member of staff (first generation) who are ardent Mancs, we bleed sky blue and I would consider myself as a fully fledged Mancunian. When I am overseas, and people ask me where I am from I don't say Britain or England, I say Manchester. There might be others, but there is only one internationally known Manchester and I am proud of it. 2. You don't engage with the people who want to destroy everything; you engage with the youth before they get to that stage. Indiscriminately killing ISIS may feel good for us, but it drives the youth into making an attempt to reach Syria. Not certain how you deal with the murderous scum, but I know from personal experience that many Moslems in the UK may be academically knowledgeable, but their knowledge of basic geopolitics is woeful and leads to the type of beliefs and actions we see too often. I have posted on here previously (I think) about my staff member's negligible knowledge of basic Middle East geography. If they don't understand how it all fits together, they will see the pictures on the TV and simply go into rage mode. So education is the key. Too late for some, but hopefully lessons will genuinely be learnt. I went to a vigil tonight in Bury. Two of the 13 named victims came from there and it is where my office is. About 1,000 joined with the mother of the 15 year old victim, civic leaders and clergy. All types, creeds, colours, faiths. Very dignified but probably preaching to the converted. The Government Prevent programme needs further and better funding.
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Post by Rob on May 25, 2017 1:25:18 GMT
When asked where we are from on holiday we say Manchester. I'm not English but happy to say I'm from Manchester.
My step-sons both knew one of those that died on Monday. Not spoken to them about it yet.
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