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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2017 22:19:51 GMT
Interesting use of words these days on the news.
Populist - a politician who says what the public want to hear - but the establishment and press seem to think it is awful and an affront to democracy. The term has become a form of abuse.
Liberal - accepting of all people and all things - except if you don't agree with them in which case the liberals don't accept you at all and call you a Nazi. Liberals are the most illiberal people in politics.
Now I am certainly no supporter to that Dutch Geert Wilderbeest bloke, I voted to remain and I would not have voted for Trump, Clinton, the Green candidate or Bernie Sanders, but if someone stands up and in a fairly reasonable tone explains why his doesn't like the status quo of politics or economics and states what he intends to do about it, why should that be considered a bad thing, if it chimes with a large proportion of the population and the proposed policies don't intend to harm any particular minority?
Yes I know I'm naive about such matters. I'm too busy working to take as much notice as I used to take.
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Post by Alanović on Mar 15, 2017 10:17:00 GMT
Interesting use of words these days on the news. Populist - a politician who says what the public want to hear - but the establishment and press seem to think it is awful and an affront to democracy. The term has become a form of abuse. Liberal - accepting of all people and all things - except if you don't agree with them in which case the liberals don't accept you at all and call you a Nazi. Liberals are the most illiberal people in politics. Now I am certainly no supporter to that Dutch Geert Wilderbeest bloke, I voted to remain and I would not have voted for Trump, Clinton, the Green candidate or Bernie Sanders, but if someone stands up and in a fairly reasonable tone explains why his doesn't like the status quo of politics or economics and states what he intends to do about it, why should that be considered a bad thing, if it chimes with a large proportion of the population and the proposed policies don't intend to harm any particular minority? Yes I know I'm naive about such matters. I'm too busy working to take as much notice as I used to take. The bold bit. There's your problem.
I just received a letter form my children's school telling us they need proof of birth place and citizenship to be provided. This isn't even a state school, yet they are legally required to gather his now.
I'm sure you've heard about that road to hell and what it's paved with.
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Post by WDB on Mar 15, 2017 12:16:56 GMT
Schools are required to ask, Vić; parents are not required to answer. Our forms went back with 'not relevant' against the offending question.
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Post by Alanović on Mar 15, 2017 12:24:57 GMT
Schools are required to ask, Vić; parents are not required to answer. Our forms went back with 'not relevant' against the offending question. From the letter:
"Dear Parents,
We will shortly be applying for a Tier 4 Sponsorship Licence, to allow children born outside of the EEA to attend "XYZ Uber-Expensive Rip-Off £££$$$£££" School (name replaced for obvious, tedious reasons). As part of this process, we require proof of citizenship for each and every one of our pupils, including those born in the EEA, and therefore we ask for your help in providing this information."
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Post by WDB on Mar 15, 2017 12:35:37 GMT
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Post by Alanović on Mar 15, 2017 12:50:55 GMT
Unless applying for a "Tier 4 Sponsorship Licence, to allow children born outside of the EEA to attend" I suppose. This request I received isn't about the "School census and National Pupil Database", which sounds bad enough already, granted. I haven't been asked about that. I also suppose our school could be wrong, but they seem quite certain that they need this infomation for every pupil in order to obtain this licence. Is your school applying for that licence? Were you asked for this information on that basis?
If I don't provide this info, the school won't get this licence. I am utterly mortified that such "licences" are required in the first place to educate children, but will provide the information given that the school needs it in order to obtain the licence.
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Post by WDB on Mar 15, 2017 13:39:37 GMT
Well, there's a whole subsite of UK Visas & Immigration that deals with Sponsor Licences. (Note that this is all about visas and nothing specific to education; company staff and monsters of religion have their own licence tiers.) I can't find the requirement your letter refers to anywhere.
For Tier 4 there's a list of required documents to prove that the school is operating lawfully in the UK and that its premises are safe and under its control, plus a whole load of company and tax information that might apply. Nothing about nationality, or indeed anything at all about students already enrolled in the institution.
I smell smoke. Do you smell smoke?
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Post by Alanović on Mar 15, 2017 13:49:19 GMT
No idea what the smoke comment means, but why would our school insist on something which is not required? Why should I disbelieve them?
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Post by WDB on Mar 15, 2017 13:59:01 GMT
Well, they've made an assertion that I can't easily substantiate. The information they are after could be used to make life uncomfortable for other children at the school and their families. Of course, as some might tell us, the innocent have nothing to fear.
Smoke usually means something's wrong. I think there's something wrong here.
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Post by Alanović on Mar 15, 2017 14:01:22 GMT
You may be right, but if you are I would suspect cock up rather than conspiracy.
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Post by WDB on Mar 15, 2017 14:15:02 GMT
By the school, yes, probably. But who's telling the school they need to do this? I suspect Home Office interference, as I do with the wording of the database questionnaire, which omits to explain that the nationality question is voluntary.
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