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Post by Avant on Dec 9, 2016 20:05:24 GMT
Anyone like a guessing game?
We've come to realise that SWMBO's Mini Cooper Roadster, good car that it is in its own right, isn't ideal for what we need it for in semi-retirement in Dorset. What we need now for a second car is:
- Small, nippy, easy to park and fun to drive on local journeys (mostly between 4 and 10 miles each way) but also with a big enough engine with sufficient oomph to hit the A303 and motorways (she is still doing some Reading-based work although most is from home)
- Up to £20,000
- Petrol, manual
- 5 doors (this is a friendly village community and people give each other lifts, and she doesn't like driving my automatic Volvo)
- Satnav, lumbar support, heated front seats and a spare wheel, although we don't mind if these are options.
She's made a choice - any guesses as to what we've ordered?
(Clue - it's not another Mini: a 5-door Mini would have ticked most of the boxes, but the rear doors are as the Scots say 'awfu' wee').
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Post by Hofmeister on Dec 9, 2016 21:39:29 GMT
Anyone like a guessing game? She's made a choice - any guesses as to what we've ordered? DS4
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Post by dixinormus on Dec 9, 2016 22:43:59 GMT
Audi A3
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2016 23:38:27 GMT
20k doesn't get you very far these days, you say ordered, which implies new. Volvo V40 manual same spec as your V60?
Otherwise I'd say Nogbads XC70 but you wouldn't order that...
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Post by Humph on Dec 10, 2016 10:48:35 GMT
Something sitty uppy? They all seem to want sitty uppy at the moment. Juke maybe?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2016 23:00:58 GMT
I was going to say Juke but then I thought Suzuki? Something like an S-cross??
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Post by WDB on Dec 11, 2016 7:31:48 GMT
Heated front seats puts us into more 'premium' territory, I suspect. A BMW 116i would work for four if they only had little legs. Not sure a new one would come under £20,000, but perhaps mine isn't the only BMW salesman brandishing the pencil sharpener this month.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2016 7:44:45 GMT
On second thoughts a Fiesta ST would tick all the boxes. A 5 door was announced a little while back. Alternatively, a B-MAX would answer the question of rear access with the whole side opening up.
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Post by Avant on Dec 11, 2016 21:31:53 GMT
Thanks for being interested enough to have a guess! Dixinormus got closest, as we'd gone looking for an A3. In fact it's an A1. 5-door A1 Sport 1.4 TFSI to be precise.
We were looking around and getting together a shortlist with a view to changing around March. Poole Audi (much keener to sell than Yeovil Audi) have a special stock-shifting offer on at the moment, and we thought we'd go and look at an A3. SWMBO fancied a little more space than there is in her Mini, so we'd thought that the A1 would be too cramped.
Not at all: she found the seat suited her better than the A3 and even the higher-up Q2 (and the Q2 being a new model isn't being discounted). And to drive it was exactly what we want - much nippier from low revs than the Mini and what seems like a good balance between ride and handling. It's in stock somewhere in the UK so delivery should be weeks rather than months as for a factory order, which we wouldn't have minded.
Because we were both so happy with the A1, we went for it before trying too many others. But we thought seriously about:
VW Polo - would be a 1.2 and the PCP deals would cost as much if not more than for the A1 (probably because A1s hold their value better); and I have a rooted objection to VW's stingy one-year breakdown cover when Audi, SEAT and Skoda all offer three.
VW Up - the new 89 bhp turbo version, but I asked two dealers to let me know when a demonstrator was available but neither has.
Renault Captur - new 1.2 manual - same lack of response from two dealers. Maybe it really isn't in yet. We tried a 1.5 diesel: great driving position but not a ball of fire. Some very tacky trim inside.
Mini Clubman - a bit big and definitely too expensive - and after six Minis SWMBO is ready for a change!
SEAT Leon - smaller than the A3 and I think we'd have liked it, but we didn't get round to testing one. Same applies to the Fiesta 1.0, but residual values and rumours about problems with this engine are against it.
The A1 ticked the boxes and then some - so we feel fairly confident we've got it right. 'Sitty-uppy' was tempting, especially as we're getting older: but what is there that's small, sitty-uppy and yet fun to drive? If we hadn't seized on the A1 we might have looked at the Suzuki Vitara 1.4S and the Ford B-Max.
Edit - we didn't try any Peugeots or Citroens: although HJ speaks highly of the 1.2 petrol engine, I'm not prepared to buy any car which makes you fiddle with a touchscreen to change the temperature inside the car. Dangerous. And the DS4 has a pointed shape to its rear doors that could take a child's eye out.
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Post by Humph on Dec 11, 2016 21:37:29 GMT
Sounds good ! Hope Mrs A enjoys it.
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Post by Rob on Dec 11, 2016 22:07:38 GMT
You'd have probably liked the A3 to drive if you'd tried it. The 1.4TFSI engine is very good in my opinion. I'd not go for a 1.6TDI instead. It's not as economical but very flexible. In an A1 it will be even better I'd have thought, smaller car etc.
I don't think a Leon is much smaller than an A3.... 2 inches. If you're talking 5 door layout for both (Leon = 4263mm and A3 = 4313mm). Same wheelbase too. I had a brief drive of a Leon FR and then an A3 and the latter was much nicer inside and to look at.
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Post by WDB on Dec 12, 2016 22:02:14 GMT
Damn - A1 was the other side of my coin that came up 116i! I leant away from it thinking it might be too 'wee' in the back - not that the 1 is exactly commodious, although I did manage to origamize myself into one last year, just to see if I could. There's even an S1; I quite fancy that - in yellow.
I don't see the point of the Leon. The A3 is smart and capable, the Golf is unflashy and equally capable. There are Skoda options if capable is enough. The Leon is flashy but trashy, like a shirt with the label on the outside. But a Golf will be nicer to live with and probably cheaper to own. So what's the Leon even for?
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Post by Avant on Dec 13, 2016 0:02:17 GMT
WDB, your comments apply very well to SEATs in general, at last up to recently. Very little brand image, and they haven't sold well.
But the current model Leon seems to be changing that. I think I read recently that SEAT has made a profit for the first time in ages, and the new Ateca has been very well reviewed. People seem to like the look of the Leon (hatch and ST estate)and are buying it - maybe to be a bit different from ubiquitous VWs and Skodas.
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Post by dixinormus on Dec 13, 2016 6:34:34 GMT
Ha! I almost said A1 but plumped for A3 because I thought you would find the A1 passenger space a bit limited Avant?!
I have had my A1 for just over 2 years and 17,000 miles with no issues to report. Performance is ample with the 1.4 125hp engine and I repeatedly see 43-47 mpg on my lengthy cross country commute. 50mpg would be very feasible if I tried. Mine's on 17 inch wheels which does result in a rather hard ride - as is widely reported - but the handling on the twisties is great.
I've also got the dreaded DSG gearbox... So far so good sshhhhh ;-)
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