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Post by Humph on Dec 13, 2016 19:38:30 GMT
The monumental thread drift here is my fault, perhaps we can continue this discussion over in the "bar" ? I'll start a new thread there.
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Post by WDB on Dec 13, 2016 21:43:11 GMT
Perhaps there's something wrong with this thread's tyres.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2016 22:37:53 GMT
>>God, I miss the 70s. The clothes, the music, the cars, Schooner inns, watneys red barrel, ok perhaps the beer and food wasnt that good, but the rest was up there.
Prawn cocktail, gammon steak and chips, and Black Forest gateau? How could you say the food wasn't up there?
75 - 85. Music, food, cars, bikes, clothes, pubs, and my youth. What a great time.
Although as a Light and Bitter drinker I hated those metered pumps.
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Post by WDB on Dec 13, 2016 23:04:28 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2016 23:11:53 GMT
Don't misunderstand me, prawn cocktail and gammon steak with chips and peas is one of my favourite meals. I;ve grown out of BF gateaux though.
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Post by Hofmeister on Dec 13, 2016 23:57:35 GMT
Don't misunderstand me, prawn cocktail and gammon steak with chips and peas is one of my favourite meals. I;ve grown out of BF gateaux though. A good prawn cocktail is a thing of awe and wonder. The George Hotel in Stamford does fantastic ones.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2016 9:31:57 GMT
Deleted and put in other thread.
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Post by WDB on Jan 2, 2017 8:17:44 GMT
Back to squirming. Must give the chariot a thorough tyre check once it's light this morning. Yesterday's rainy drive to Wallingford felt horrible, and not just because of potholes and standing water.
Since I first wrote about this here I've been trying to refine my account of what the car does and how it feels. It's not that it doesn't ultimately go where I tell it to; more a question of precision and feel. It's never been a car you could cruise along a country road with one hand on the wheel, but that used to be more about needing two hands to keep it smooth. Now it wants to follow every bump and camber change, and straddling the crown of the road to avoid a puddle gives the unnerving - and fortunately misleading - feeling that it's going to wander right over to the other side.
But it never actually does any of these things, just feels uncomfortably like it might. And on a motorway it's as secure as ever and runs straight on with no hands at all. I'm suspecting that the front tyres may be wearing to the point where the edges don't grip immediately as they begin to turn left or right, in which case I'm inclined to change them even if the gauge suggests there's life left in them.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2017 14:55:41 GMT
Twice I've had a similar feeling. Once on a Lancia at the back and once on an Audi at the front.
In both cases it was the geometry; in one caused by damage at the back and a badly worn track rod and lousy tracking adjustment on the front of the other.
What seemed it happen is that there was too much tension between the opposing wheels causing one or other to take precedence as the road surface changed. It felt like a kind of shifting in weight in the steering wheel - though I know that's a crap explanation.
It was never enough to change the car's direction, but at times it could be quite unnerving. The rear was caused by a tow rope inappropriately located around a rear wheel when pulling the Lancia out of a snow covered ditch in Burnham Beeches. The Audi was, I think, caused by a life on rough roads.
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Post by WDB on Jan 2, 2017 18:00:38 GMT
Taking the Audi case as closer to mine, did the tracking problem mean it felt bad all the time? Mine is very much at medium speeds; at town speeds the tyres don't have enough to do to get out of shape, and on the motorway the steering deflections are possibly too small to upset it.
I checked the tyres. Pressures were maybe 5-10% below the door sticker values, so I pumped them up and tried a bit of yesterday's route again. Same feeling. I also checked tread depth; the 255/35 rears are about 5mm right across, while the 235/40 fronts have 5mm inside and centre but are down to barely 2mm on the outer edges.
The E90 series being well documented on the ever-reliable internet, it seems they have a known tendency to wear out the inner edges at the back - no sign of that on mine - and for the coupés in particular to wear the outer edges at the front. This is exacerbated by the run-flat design, so that instead of flexing as the load shifts sideways in a turn, the stiff sidewall pushes back and lets the tread do all the work. Apparently over-inflating can help, and I've noticed that my car rides better with higher pressures, perhaps because more shocks go through the compressible air rather than the unyielding sidewalls. Upping the pressure closer to the full-load value seems to have helped the steering feel too.
Either way, I suspect it may be as simple as 'they all do that, sir'. BMW owners seem unanimous in their distaste for run-flats, but I don't see a viable alternative, given that the week I installed anything else is bound to be the one when I get a puncture in the rain on the M4 and am left with no way home. There's nothing for it but to change the front tyres soon, so I'll go for Michelin and hope that my general experience of longer life and better steering feel holds good for this car too.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2017 18:13:03 GMT
No, the Audi felt worse depending on the road surface. If it was on smooth flat stuff then it was ok, it was only when one wheel ran on something different to the other that it felt weird - be that slope, surface quality, or lumps and bumps.
I'll tell you what it was like; you know when you drive down lane 1 on the motorway and one or other of your wheels falls in and out of the lorry tracks? It felt like that, but without the corresponding lurching of the car itself.
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Post by Humph on Jan 2, 2017 19:08:41 GMT
Prob'ly just that you're used to a more premium feel from your other car...
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Post by tyrednexited on Jan 2, 2017 19:16:25 GMT
Prob'ly just that you're used to a more premium feel from your other car... 😉 ...it's prob'ly just the ke -avoidance system cutting in (I don't think you have that on MB's do you?)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2017 22:33:25 GMT
Check for worn suspension bushes WDB. Quick, cheap and easy check. I noticed my XJ beginning to develop a twitch, especially on fast roundabouts and corners. Nothing alarming but it wasn't as it should be. Spanner man diagnosed a worn bush on front nearside lower control arm (XJs are notoriously hard on suspension bushes). I had both sides replaced and it was back to it's usual magic carpet.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2017 12:12:53 GMT
What kind of bushes are fitted to the front of the BMW ? I recall switching from the oil filled factory fitted items on my previous S60 to polyurethane as the car never sat still and was made worse on the standard Pirelli P6000 tyres. Switching bushes and to Good Year tyres made a huge difference to the handling. As Kevin suggested above have you had the bushes looked at ?
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