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Post by WDB on Dec 2, 2016 9:51:59 GMT
...have won at Richmond. Plenty of special circumstances, of course, but I'm delighted. Yes, there was the Third Runway sideshow, but this was about the EU, and it suggests that progressives can and will cooperate to oppose reactionaries like Goldsmith.
Probably enough to scare Mrs May away from any thoughts of an early general election.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2016 11:10:46 GMT
I'm not sure. Richmond is probably a real mix of Tory and bleeding heart Liberal. Outside of the SE, the 'prols' (as Emily Thornberry would have them) will vote in a General Election for the party that again promises Brexit.
Remarkable that the Labour Party no longer represents the working class....but a metropolitan elite who have never known hard work and try so hard to be fair to everyone, they actually offend everybody.
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Post by Alanović on Dec 2, 2016 11:17:38 GMT
"Bleeding heart liberal". "Metropolitan elite". Jesus.
I think this result will make brexit-leaning Tory MPs in remain seats think twice now. Even someone like John Redwood in Wokingham would do well to have a think, not that he will of course.
There are a great many remain areas outside the Se, most notably the big northern cities and Scotland.
To use Espada's language, what we now seem to be governed by is a rural carrot crunching elite and stony hearted nationalists.
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Post by Hofmeister on Dec 2, 2016 11:34:19 GMT
It had nothing to do with Brexit, nothing to do with LHR runway three, The only lesson that came out of the Richmond election was that Zac Goldsmith now realises and knows that everyone thinks he is a jumped up self centred r-sole who has an overblown opinion of himself. He was always history after his campaign for Mayor of London.
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Post by Alanović on Dec 2, 2016 11:40:50 GMT
Certainly part of it, Noggers. Listening to his fellow metropolitan elite brexiteer Jacob Reet-Smugg defending him on the radio this morning was most satisfying.
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Post by bromptonaut on Dec 2, 2016 15:03:50 GMT
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Post by Alanović on Dec 2, 2016 15:24:43 GMT
Genuine Q for a habitual Labour voter, Bromp, presuming you're a remainer? Now that labour have come over all Brexit, will you still vote for them at a GE?
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Post by manatee on Dec 2, 2016 20:31:31 GMT
Goldsmith has shown himself to be a prat and it has been estimated that 72.3% of referendum voters in the constituency voted 'remain'.
I doubt if there are many bleeding heart liberals in Richmond Park, but I could be wrong.
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Post by Hofmeister on Dec 2, 2016 22:42:07 GMT
Goldsmith has shown himself to be a prat and it has been estimated that 72.3% of referendum voters in the constituency voted 'remain'. I doubt if there are many bleeding heart liberals in Richmond Park, but I could be wrong. Plenty of tree huggers in Richmond Park. And Fenton the dog of course
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Post by bromptonaut on Dec 3, 2016 8:45:14 GMT
Genuine Q for a habitual Labour voter, Bromp, presuming you're a remainer? Now that labour have come over all Brexit, will you still vote for them at a GE? I'm an ardent remainer. We're currently in Daventry constituency but slated to be in Andrea Loathsome's South Northamptonshire after boundary changes. Both are safe Tory seats. In a GE I'd vote tactically, probably Lib Dem. On a wider scale my Labour views are mostly old fashioned Croslandite but with some sympathy for more left wing solutions in the economy. I despair of the current leadership. Corbin's a decent enough bloke but he's useless as leader. A decent opposition would have government on the ropes over Brexit, Health, Social Care and the benefit cap. The latter is biting ordinary families with 3 kids, not just in private sector rentals but social housing as well. It's going to be as toxic as the Working Tax Credit cuts were, solids will hit ventilation after Christmas with evictions etc. Jezza lands the occasional punch but PMQ's are at best a score draw. Next week's by election in Sleaford should safely return a Tory but could an area that was 70% for Brexit return a kipper? If it does the cat will really be amongst the pigeons.
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Post by iancapetown on Dec 3, 2016 15:04:09 GMT
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Post by WDB on Dec 3, 2016 16:22:50 GMT
Hardly 'skewered'. Ms Hartley-Brewer was being mischievous with someone who'd been up all night and for many of the preceding nights too. What Ms Olney neglected to say was that she had won under a clearly understood set of rules, which is not something anyone can say about the referendum. Nothing much to argue about then.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2016 19:34:27 GMT
I'm completely confused. Our constituency is right wing Labour with a good sitting MP who hates Corbyn, partly for reasons related to his love of extreme racists masquerading as nice internationalist Moslems, but in reality they are anti-Semitic hate preachers. I'm a traditional Tory voter although pretty 'wet' on many aspects of politics and decided late on that Brexit was a bad move.
Goldsmith was stupid. He had no presence, Heathrow has to be expanded for obvious economic reasons (or build a whole new airport somewhere else - yeah really), and Brexit was probably only a small factor in the vote.
Unless there is a snap election, the next General Election will be based upon housing costs and lack of supply. It's the one area I fundamentally disagree with Margaret Thatcher about. We have 350,000 more people arriving in the country each year and yet we don't build enough houses. This one can't be left to the market. Government has to step in and do something.
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