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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2016 23:28:13 GMT
Nothing is surprising from an electorate who voted for George W. Bush and then repeated the mistake four years later. It shows what an unimpressive candidate Hillary Clinton must have been. But I don't think that Trump will be quite as much of a disaster as some of the knee-jerkers in the tabloids make out. There is a grain of hope in that so far he seems to understand, as Barack Obama does, that the USA doesn't have to be the world's policeman any more. There was a real risk that Mrs Clinton would have had us in a war with Russia. George W. was Governor of Texas when we lived there and his style of hands-off leadership was very popular with both the electorate and State employees. I have a friend who holds a senior position in the Texas Court of Criminal Appeals and he told me that GW's meetings with his heads of dept. would be: "Is there anything you need from me or anything I should know?" If the answer was "No" the meeting was closed with "Call me if you need to." He didn't shy away from high level decisions but trusted his Lieutenants to do what they were supposed to. Hillary lost because no-one trusted her and she couldn't hide what appeared to be an underlying nasty and vindictive personality. Even my dyed in the wool Democrat friends didn't like her.
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Post by Hofmeister on Nov 11, 2016 12:04:54 GMT
Nothing is surprising from an electorate who voted for George W. Bush and then repeated the mistake four years later. It shows what an unimpressive candidate Hillary Clinton must have been. But I don't think that Trump will be quite as much of a disaster as some of the knee-jerkers in the tabloids make out. There is a grain of hope in that so far he seems to understand, as Barack Obama does, that the USA doesn't have to be the world's policeman any more. There was a real risk that Mrs Clinton would have had us in a war with Russia. George W. was Governor of Texas when we lived there and his style of hands-off leadership was very popular with both the electorate and State employees. I have a friend who holds a senior position in the Texas Court of Criminal Appeals and he told me that GW's meetings with his heads of dept. would be: "Is there anything you need from me or anything I should know?" If the answer was "No" the meeting was closed with "Call me if you need to." He didn't shy away from high level decisions but trusted his Lieutenants to do what they were supposed to. Hillary lost because no-one trusted her and she couldn't hide what appeared to be an underlying nasty and vindictive personality. Even my dyed in the wool Democrat friends didn't like her. A system he carried into the White House " Anything you need from me?" Yes Sir, we want you to invade Iraq again " Anything I need to know? " No sir " OK do it "
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Post by Hofmeister on Nov 11, 2016 12:08:08 GMT
The winner and how awful they are is immeterial, The US had been irreparably damaged by the shocking campaigns and the acrimonious mud slinging
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Post by WDB on Nov 11, 2016 12:14:37 GMT
Hillary lost because no-one trusted her... A big strong when she polled more votes than the winner.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2016 17:05:29 GMT
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Post by Rob on Nov 12, 2016 0:44:07 GMT
if you'd put a £5 accumulator on Leicester City to win the title, the UK to vote to leave the EU and Trump to be the 45th president of the USA.... you'd have got a lot of money!
But you'd have thought it was a waste of £5 for the Leicester bet let alone that accumulator. Because if you thought that would happen then you'r no longer betting - you have some other skill!
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Post by Humph on Nov 12, 2016 19:05:13 GMT
Ok deep breath time, we are about to go out to dinner with some old friends, haven't seen them for ages. Trouble is, I know they are very much in favour of both Brexit and freaking Trump.
My wife has made me promise to keep my gob shut on both subjects...
This will not be easy.😬
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Post by Hofmeister on Nov 12, 2016 20:44:05 GMT
Ok deep breath time, we are about to go out to dinner with some old friends, haven't seen them for ages. Trouble is, I know they are very much in favour of both Brexit and freaking Trump. My wife has made me promise to keep my gob shut on both subjects... This will not be easy.😬 Oh do let us know how this one goes, I need a good chuckle
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Post by Humph on Nov 12, 2016 23:12:42 GMT
Yes, well, as you'll gather, we didn't make a long night of it. When he started on "immigrants" my shin suddenly developed a sharp pain, which took me by surprise until I realised that my wife had just kicked it really hard under the table!
So, I was really good and just asked him what he was driving now.
After a while, the subject then turned to events in America, and my other shin got sore...
It's quite hard to remain calm and ask in a convincingly interested manner where someone has been on holiday this year, when you're concurrently being systematically tortured.😫
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2016 8:36:56 GMT
I'm sure we are married to the same woman.
I'm also sure it will surprise some on here, that had I been a US citizen I have no doubt I would not have voted. Both candidates were massively flawed and therein lay the problem.
Had I being having dinner with your friends, I can guarantee my shins would have been black and blue by the end of the evening.
What really upsets me though is the way that the liberal left have reacted to the results of the Scottish Independence referendum, the Brexit referendum, the 2015 General Election and now the US election. In each case the 'right' won, but in each case there were outpourings of anguish from the left that the wrong decision had been made, coupled with demonstrations and some rioting. That is unacceptable. If their views were more popular they would have won the vote but they didn't. In the long term they may be proven to be correct, but it shows how large swathes of the population are fed up with the current political situation (political correctness is one example) and desire change.
I understand the anger. I just wish that the medium of change was not Nigel Farage or The Donald.
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Post by WDB on Nov 13, 2016 12:33:25 GMT
I don't remember many outside Scotland suggesting that the Scots made the wrong decision in 2014.
How would not voting have helped in your hypothetical US? It wouldn't have meant you didn't get either candidate, just lost you s little control over getting the least-worst one. Since politics is mostly about finding the least unsatisfactory answer anyway, what would you have achieved?
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Post by sooty on Nov 13, 2016 13:36:29 GMT
Talking of dislike of the two main candidates, the 'third party'candidates did much better than last time. They went from 1.5m to 6m votes.
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Post by Hofmeister on Nov 19, 2016 13:42:40 GMT
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