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Post by WDB on Nov 10, 2016 11:37:05 GMT
Faithless electors, apparently. According to the New York Daily News, 26 states do impose some legal duty on electors, but the provisions are vague and none of them have ever been tested in court.
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Post by sooty on Nov 10, 2016 12:01:46 GMT
Faithless electors, apparently. According to the New York Daily News, 26 states do impose some legal duty on electors, but the provisions are vague and none of them have ever been tested in court. Ah yes that's the phrase I was looking for. I vaugely remember that it has happened about 30 years ago but not since .
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2016 12:34:24 GMT
Love it. Demonstrations in New York against Trump.
If Trump had lost, Republican voters would have simply said "oh well, we'll try again in four years". But the left wing huggers are revolting. Just like after the 2015 General Election and the Referendum. Can't accept that the people who actually pay the bills make the decisions.
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Post by sooty on Nov 10, 2016 12:51:53 GMT
Love it. Demonstrations in New York against Trump. If Trump had lost, Republican voters would have simply said "oh well, we'll try again in four years". I find that genuinely hard to believe. The extreme dislike of both of them, would have have seen an outpouring of angry people.
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Post by Alanović on Nov 10, 2016 12:52:28 GMT
Sure. Who needs different opinions and legitimate political dissent? I mean, the right wing, as you say, have been utterly silent in opposition. Always are, good as gold. Let's stop people expressing opposing views to the governments in the UK and the US now that your side is in the driving seat, eh Espada? Nirvana reached, democracy can be switched off. I'm sure that will work just fine.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2016 13:07:58 GMT
No...That's not what I said. I am good friends with many Trump voters and knowing them, their reaction would have been just that... Look at Charlotte Church when Cameron won in 2015. Her comments and actions were disgusting and she should have been arrested. Its all the same with the lefties; can't face losing.
Now.. some thoughts from someone called Jonathan Sacerdoti which I pulled off Facebook. (I don't know him at all BTW).
"Some thoughts: - Obama's ultimate legacy is Trump - Hilary was such an unpopular candidate that she couldn't even beat a 'totally unqualified' candidate - This is not the end of the world - The more political elites ignore the complaints of the people, the more extreme the options those people will vote for to counter those elites"
And that is the issue... If the Democrats had put up a decent candidate who was not tainted, they may well have won (the difference between the two was very narrow). There is no point bleating about losing. They should have done a better job both beforehand with Obama and in choosing a decent candidate.
If May buggers up Brexit, then the 2020 election is Labour's to lose. If Corbyn gets in, then that is the result of a poor performance by the Torys. Again, no point bleating about it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2016 13:14:51 GMT
In my experience politicians are a great deal less clever than you might think. Even those part of the national Government can rarely see beyond the issues in their own seat.
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Post by Alanović on Nov 10, 2016 13:17:37 GMT
I utterly disagree with your characterisation that protest and dissent are exclusively left-wing characteristics.
UKIP. Say no more.
I also utterly disagree that protest and dissent is somehow a sign of 'bad losers' or 'bleating'. They are utterly intrinsic to our democracy. I am utterly fed up with hearing how remainers (for example) are bad losers, cry babies, whatever else - it's political opposition and it is absolutely legitimate. Nobody should 'shut up' or 'get over it' if they believe that a particular political course is the wrong one.
If you're getting your opinions off Facebook I think that's where you're going wrong.
If May fails on brexit and an new government puts a stop to it, do you really, really think that the 'right' will shrug shoulders and not 'bleat' about it? They're already talking of open rebellion and civil unrest if that happens for crying out loud.
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Post by WDB on Nov 10, 2016 14:25:11 GMT
Absolutely right, Vić. Esp seems to be offering a version of 'you lost, get over it', which I seem to have heard quite a lot recently, mostly from people I would not regard as champions of expression in a democratic society.
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Post by Alanović on Nov 10, 2016 14:42:14 GMT
The most staggering statistic of the US Election is that 46.9% of registered voters didn't vote.
If there's a credible candidate against Trump next time, he's toast. This is no revolution, it's the election of an idiocracy by default.
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Post by WDB on Nov 10, 2016 15:02:02 GMT
The electoral college system may have something to do with that, of course. If you're a Republican in a Massachusetts university town, or a Democrat in Red Neck, Texas, you may feel it's not worth the bother as the result is pre-ordained anyway. Bit like me where I live, although it doesn't stop me from voting.
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Post by Alanović on Nov 10, 2016 15:16:26 GMT
Maybe so but a bigger popular vote victory over Trump than Clinton managed should have the electoral college align with it, as per most US elections.
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Post by iancapetown on Nov 10, 2016 19:29:55 GMT
Gotta love it. The chaps who are rioting against Trump (ie against democracy) are Democrats, right? Oh, the irony.
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Post by bromptonaut on Nov 10, 2016 20:13:09 GMT
Love it. Demonstrations in New York against Trump. If Trump had lost, Republican voters would have simply said "oh well, we'll try again in four years". But the left wing huggers are revolting. Just like after the 2015 General Election and the Referendum. Can't accept that the people who actually pay the bills make the decisions. That would be the Republican voters following The Donald who threatened to ignore/contest the result if he lost? Yeah Right.....
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Post by Avant on Nov 10, 2016 20:23:05 GMT
Nothing is surprising from an electorate who voted for George W. Bush and then repeated the mistake four years later. It shows what an unimpressive candidate Hillary Clinton must have been.
But I don't think that Trump will be quite as much of a disaster as some of the knee-jerkers in the tabloids make out. There is a grain of hope in that so far he seems to understand, as Barack Obama does, that the USA doesn't have to be the world's policeman any more. There was a real risk that Mrs Clinton would have had us in a war with Russia.
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