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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2016 5:55:00 GMT
Was in roadworks yesterday with 800 yards warning of merging two lanes into one. The queue in the lane staying open is 800 yards long. I'm in the lane that is closing but follow many other cars to the front where sensible people are merging in turn. My turn to merge is in front of a very new, very expensive Mercedes AMG something with a 'prat plate'. He doesn't let me, but risks damaging his own car by forcing me to stay in my lane so I have to merge behind him.
I look over and with a smirk and waving a gloved hand this old codger gesticulates that I have no right to get in front of him. 20 yards after merging we reach a roundabout where he turns left into a retail park......so he saved 2 seconds or less in getting one over on me. I really wish we could all upload videos of such selfish driving to some higher authority who would then pay them a visit to discuss the error of their ways, or simply pour brake fluid over the car and destroy the paint...wish I was driving my son's heavily bashed Punto, would have happily driven into this prat.
I see so many incidents of selfish driving it is wearying. None of us are perfect but I hope we do better than this?
(Humph - near your part of the world. On the Handforth bypass going north just before Handforth Dean).
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Post by Alanović on Sept 23, 2016 8:33:21 GMT
Thing is, he thought you were being the selfish one and queue jumping. He didn't think it was your "turn", in his mind you should have joined the back of the queue.
It's a difficult one. If the first few people with the queuing mentality didn't start the queue in the lane remaining open, and just queued alongside eachother and merged in turn, then everyone would end up in the right place for their 'turn' at merging and the long queue in the one lane wouldn't develop, and nobody would get upset by actions such as yours, correct to the letter of the law though they may be.
I don't think this one will ever get resolved in this country.
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Post by WDB on Sept 23, 2016 9:03:26 GMT
Road operators occasionally anticipate this situation with signs well back from the merge point urging us to 'Use both lanes' and to 'Merge in turn'; Oxford's East Ring Road had them last time I went that way. Without that, we're at the mercy of types like Esp's friend - at least until the habit of using both lanes becomes the norm and no-one is left to see it as 'pushing in'.
I bet he voted Leave.
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Post by commerdriver on Sept 23, 2016 9:07:46 GMT
>> I don't think this one will ever get resolved in this country.
I agree Alanovic, not without a major publicity campaign and proper signage at more long term 2 lane to 1 locations.
It's very hard to argue it on any basis in a country where polite queuing is the norm in most social situations.
I tend to sit on the fence on this one, I will not do it unless there is specific signage but I will accept others merging in turn at the pinch point where I have waited in the queuing line.
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Post by sooty on Sept 23, 2016 9:25:11 GMT
Where possible best to put the cones in half of each lane that way it's no ones lane. Obviously not practical everywhere.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2016 9:28:37 GMT
I have never understood this idea in the UK that one should join the "remaining open lane" a mile before the "closing lane" actually does. But if someone wants to join that queue, then its a free world. But why do they think they have any say in what others do? "I'm queuing a mile before its necessary so you must too"??
I don't think you'd even be able to explain it here. They'd understand the idea of the queue, but would fail to grasp why that would be anywhere other than at the point where the lanes merged.
I have often wondered why they don't merge both lanes into a single lane on top of the white line and then move it to one side or the other a bit further on. It would stop this idea that some people have of owning the "right" lane, and would stop it being obvious where you should queue 1 mile before hand.
I have no words for the idiots in trucks who appoint themselves queue-police and block both lanes with their lorries. Who do they think they are?
Many places in the world they'd get shot for that shit.
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Post by Hofmeister on Sept 23, 2016 9:36:41 GMT
Its the fault of the contractors doing the road. They should have signs to say "Merge in Turn 200 yards.......100 yards....now" Some of them manage it, it should be compulsory.
Then you can shoot the pig headed trucker who tries to block both lanes 800 yards before the merge.
The annoying thing is, if everyone obeys the "merge in turn" very near the point of restriction, the whole thing moves much easier. The yanks know how to do, just tell them to zip and tell them where to zip and they will. 4 way stops wouldnt work over here either.
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Post by Alanović on Sept 23, 2016 9:56:31 GMT
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Post by Humph on Sept 23, 2016 15:09:22 GMT
As most of you know, I drive all over this country and others all the time. Have done all my working life. And while there are confrontational ignorant planks everywhere, the north of England and the Midlands has by far the highest proportion of them. If you're going to encounter rudeness and stupidity it will more often happen somewhere between the lines which could be drawn horizontally through the country somewhere about Preston in the north and Leicester in the south. I sometimes wonder if they get chips fitted to both shoulders at birth.
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Post by Alanović on Sept 23, 2016 15:16:33 GMT
You need to try Middlesex more often. Staggering incompetence. Maybe not deliberately rude and aggressive, but Belgium-level incompetence.
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Post by Humph on Sept 23, 2016 15:21:12 GMT
Incompetence I can live with, aggressive bloody minded incompetence is harder to stomach.
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Post by Avant on Sept 24, 2016 17:52:45 GMT
You're right - it's the 'queuing mentality' that's the problem. Merging in turn is too obvious and sensible for them - they just love to queue. I hadn't thought of it as a regional thing, Humph - If I'd suggested that as a southerner I could have been in trouble.
I wonder if there's a higher proportion of people in that area who go on coach trips. I think I'd draw the southern line south of Birmingham rather than Leicester. Last night we stayed overnight in the Marks Tey Hotel just off the A12 - convenient after I'd played the organ for a distant cousin's funeral in Suffolk. Nothing wrong with the hotel, but at breakfast the dining room was full of what appeared to be the Birmingham Old Farts' reunion - by the look of them celebrating something that happened 60 years ago. They all had to have the cereal, then the fry-up, then the toast, all at the same time, queuing for each. As we left, thee they were again, queuing to get on to the coach.
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