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Post by WDB on Sept 14, 2016 15:54:42 GMT
Thanks to Cranks, I had the 'opportunity' to 'pre-order' one of these little devices. Thanks to nothing but my own gadget-pushoveriness I took it. It will arrive on 20 October, price £50.
I don't exactly know what I'm going to do with it. I can think of applications in the kitchen and conceivably in the car, where its truly hands-free voice control might be valuable in controlling music. I'm wondering whether it will be able to issue instructions to other devices - given its Amazon origins, maybe to a Fire tablet. If so, maybe I could keep a Fire loaded with music and radio in the boot, and instruct it remotely to play particular selections over Bluetooth to the Dot, which could feed the sound to the car system. Or something.
It's not much to risk to find out, and I'm sure I can have some fun along the way.
What would you voice-control if you could?
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Post by Hofmeister on Sept 14, 2016 20:16:51 GMT
I don't exactly know what I'm going to do with it. Looks like a useless gimmick to me. The wife and the dog. I have voice control over the dog, but even a million echo dots wont let me control the wife.
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Post by crankcase on Sept 15, 2016 7:07:09 GMT
The Amazon pre-order page offers a discount on the full Echo as well (as opposed to the Dot). Prime members, until tonight, can get it for £99 instead of £149.
With that out of the way, it tempts me too, "gimmick" or not. But I don't know why. I watched a Youtube video of it in action yesterday. American of course, but that's not an issue. But many of the things he was using it for are irrelevant in Cambridge ("where are The Giants playing, what's the baseball score, order me an Uber ride). And the other stuff ("order me a Domino's pizza", "how many calories in a pizza") is kind of fun, once.
Then there's the home automation bits ("turn all the lights to purple", "lock my back door"). I don't have or intend to get any of those things, so that isn't a plus for me either.
I don't want to be negative, and I really like the idea of walking into the lounge and saying "play me some Jethro Tull". Of course, Mrs C then immediately says "stop that godawful row and play me some Prokofiev " and the poor thing gets confused. When we say to it "one of us always lies, and the other always tells the truth. This is a lie" smoke will come out of it in true Star Trek stylee.
Anyway, be interested to hear if it does do what WDB wants.
I'll also be interested to get IOS10 installed on the iPhone when I can be bothered and see if Siri is indeed now any better at any of this stuff. Probably won't be but one never knows until one tries. Of course, if you had both... "Hey Siri, tell Alexa to play some music. And tell her that USB port is too young for her. What does she think she looks like?". Immediate catfight in the back of the car.
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Post by Hofmeister on Sept 15, 2016 7:53:34 GMT
I don't want to be negative, and I really like the idea of walking into the lounge and saying "play me some Jethro Tull". Ah Jethro Tull. I have "Thick as a Brick" on vinyl. Somehow the The St. Cleve Chronicle and Linwell Advertiser art cover concept never translated well to CD. I have to confess I have a wee penchant for prog rock and a severe dislike for "concept" albums, so this is right up my alley.
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Post by crankcase on Sept 15, 2016 8:25:23 GMT
TAAB as you know is a spoof concept album, so I can see why you would accept that one - but does that mean you are averse to Sinatra? Some do as say he was the instigator of the concept album.
I'm not sure how you can be against, well, the concept. To me, it just means "a bunch of tracks that need to be listened to in their entirety and in order to tell the story as intended", which doesn't seem too onerous. So "War of the Worlds" is a concept album to me, as is the similar but inferior (to my taste) Wakeman "Journey to the Centre of the Earth".
Or do you mean "self-indulgent endless wibbling", which lots of this stuff is (and I like very much)?
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Post by Hofmeister on Sept 15, 2016 11:12:12 GMT
TAAB as you know is a spoof concept album, so I can see why you would accept that one - but does that mean you are averse to Sinatra? Some do as say he was the instigator of the concept album. I'm not sure how you can be against, well, the concept. To me, it just means "a bunch of tracks that need to be listened to in their entirety and in order to tell the story as intended", which doesn't seem too onerous. So "War of the Worlds" is a concept album to me, as is the similar but inferior (to my taste) Wakeman "Journey to the Centre of the Earth". Or do you mean "self-indulgent endless wibbling", which lots of this stuff is (and I like very much)? As all sinatras stuff was much the same, (tho nicely done and very nice on the ear) I am not sure how anyone can say his individual albums were "concept", They were phases of "style" War of the worlds is not a concept album, but a soundtrack of a book. Wakemans "journey to the centre of the earth" in indeed the self-indulgent endless wibbling I had in mind, being just a bunch of uncoordinated poo thinly disguised with a masking agent called a 'concept"
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Post by crankcase on Sept 19, 2016 7:31:39 GMT
Colleague has also bought an Echo now, so I will get to try one in the flesh.
I noticed in the comments attached to the YouTube review, that when the chap ordered a pizza, a number of people said their Echos ordered one too. If it's that easy I can feel mischief coming on, especially as said colleague has a habit playing his voice messages on speakerphone.
"Alexa, order Big Jugs Weekly". Although I suppose that would imply he would have to have linked it to an online pottery subscription club, so it might actually not be that effective.
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Post by WDB on Sept 19, 2016 18:58:43 GMT
Sorry, what chap, what pizza, what voicemail messages? Am I going to receive unsolicited pizzas, or ceramics? Or just an answer to the age-old "What's a Grecian urn?"
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Post by WDB on Sept 19, 2016 19:08:40 GMT
Funny how typing out a long and unnecessarily sarcastic 'I don't understand' got me to, erm, understand. Other Echo owners played the YouTube audio and found their own Echoes obeyed the commands contained in it. So you think you might record your own naughty commands on your colleague's voicemail, which he might then play in the presence of his Echo, which would then obey the recorded command - ie you. Are there really subscription pottery services, though? Bit of a long shot, isn't it? Here's something that might work for me: www.wired.com/2016/08/amazon-echo-adds-sonos-voice-control-stable/
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Post by WDB on Oct 22, 2016 21:25:27 GMT
It's here, left in my 'safe place' pending our return from Durham - which would have been fine if I actually had a safe place - and if I did it wouldn't be on the front path in full view of the street.
Anyway, it was still there and apparently unrained-on. It's now playing Miles Davis through the Ruark radio in the kitchen and answering our intermittent silly questions about the time in Hong Kong and the chemical composition of fluorite. It misses a lot, but that may be a matter of practice and training. Ours is called Echo, not Alexa, for practical reasons. So far I'm not finding it much more cooperative than Siri, although the voice recognition from across the room is impressive.
So far, so ho-hum, but this is an experiment, so no conclusions yet.
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Post by tyrednexited on Oct 22, 2016 21:33:12 GMT
It misses a lot, but that may be a matter of practice and training........ Expletives deleted.....?
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Post by Humph on Oct 22, 2016 22:16:36 GMT
I find myself swearing at the voice command system in my car quite a lot. As in " Call home" - "Calling office" - "No you stupid b*****d I said call home, !! oh, erm, hello, erm, I wasn't calling you, or calling you a stupid...erm, anything interesting going on at your end today?"
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Post by crankcase on Oct 24, 2016 7:37:28 GMT
Colleague brought in his Alexa. Another liked it so much he bought one too. Both devices were therefore in the same office.
My imagination kicks in - let's get one to say its name, whilst the other one is listening, and see if they can be made to argue. Ooh, tell you what, better - get one of them to say the words "hey siri" and put a phone in the middle. And the other one can say "Ok Google" with another phone in the middle and it will be a cacophony of artificial excitement.
We set it all up. We get the timings right. We see if these device can say these words. We get ready. We count down.We go.
End result - they all ignore each other entirely, talk at once, and tells us something useless about the weather. It was most disappointing.
However, I think after I'd left they did get the two Alexas to play "rock paper scissors" with each other.
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Post by Hofmeister on Oct 24, 2016 20:47:48 GMT
Colleague brought in his Alexa. Another liked it so much he bought one too. Both devices were therefore in the same office. My imagination kicks in - let's get one to say its name, whilst the other one is listening, and see if they can be made to argue. Ooh, tell you what, better - get one of them to say the words "hey siri" and put a phone in the middle. And the other one can say "Ok Google" with another phone in the middle and it will be a cacophony of artificial excitement. Ace, your workplace sounds like a fun place to work.
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Post by crankcase on Oct 25, 2016 12:56:25 GMT
Well, I thought it was time just now to actually try my colleague's Echo and see if it would work for me before purchasing. So I picked something to play, and we went something like this. I tried to make it easier as we went along:
Me: Alexa, play me the Elgar Cello Concerto in E minor by Jacqueline du Pre from Spotify Echo: I can't find the Elgar Cello Concerto in A minor. Me: Alexa, play me the Elgar Cello Concerto in E minor by Jacqueline du Pre from Spotify Echo: I can't find the Elgar Cello Concerto in G minor. Me: Alexa, play me the Elgar Cello Concerto in E minor from Spotify Echo: I can't find the Elgar Cello Concerto in B minor. Me: Alexa, play me the Elgar Cello Concerto in E minor from Spotify Echo: I can't find Elgo Me: Alexa, play me some Elgar Spotify Echo:*starts playing random pop music* Me:Alexa, play me the Elgar Cello Concerto in E minor from Spotify Echo: I can't find Elgar Cello Concerto in E minor on Spotify
I think I'll save my £50. For whatever reason, my use case is clearly too way out there for mainstream technology. After all, Elgar eh?
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