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Post by Hofmeister on Aug 30, 2016 9:49:11 GMT
My thought on getting a car for my children when they hit 17 (5.5 years to go) is that a two seater might be the best option. Not something which sounds like a brilliant idea at first glance, but it strikes me that the worst accidents seem to happen to teenagers when they've stuffed their 5-seater hatchback to the gunnels with people they're trying to show off to, drive it like a maniac, hit a tree, everyone dead. So, only give them the capacity to carry one passenger and the risk of them feeling the need to show off to multiple persons is significantly mitigated. BUZZZZ - Wrong! The last car I would give a teen is a two seater. They will be always driven like a sports car, and small and low is the last thing you want to have an accident in.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2016 10:01:37 GMT
My thought on getting a car for my children when they hit 17 (5.5 years to go) is that a two seater might be the best option. Not something which sounds like a brilliant idea at first glance, but it strikes me that the worst accidents seem to happen to teenagers when they've stuffed their 5-seater hatchback to the gunnels with people they're trying to show off to, drive it like a maniac, hit a tree, everyone dead. So, only give them the capacity to carry one passenger and the risk of them feeling the need to show off to multiple persons is significantly mitigated. BUZZZZ - Wrong! The last car I would give a teen is a two seater. They will be always driven like a sports car, and small and low is the last thing you want to have an accident in. That would depend entirely upon which is the bigger risk - the multiple passenger showing off hitting a tree risk, or the having an accident in something small and low risk. I don't know and it might be difficult to answer that - but it's plausible that the former risk may be greater than the latter. I'm not entirely convinced that an MGF for example is significantly smaller or worse to crash in than a Citroen C1 either. As a slight aside there's a C1 sitting in my garage at the moment, it belongs to my niece and I'm looking after it whilst she's in Australia for a few months. It's quite a fun thing to drive but I'm not going to weep when it leaves us.
Maybe they were onto something with the Suzuki X90.
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Post by Hofmeister on Aug 30, 2016 10:45:45 GMT
BUZZZZ - Wrong! The last car I would give a teen is a two seater. They will be always driven like a sports car, and small and low is the last thing you want to have an accident in. That would depend entirely upon which is the bigger risk - the multiple passenger showing off hitting a tree risk, or the having an accident in something small and low risk. I don't know and it might be difficult to answer that - but it's plausible that the former risk may be greater than the latter. I'm not entirely convinced that an MGF for example is significantly smaller or worse to crash in than a Citroen C1 either. As a slight aside there's a C1 sitting in my garage at the moment, it belongs to my niece and I'm looking after it whilst she's in Australia for a few months. It's quite a fun thing to drive but I'm not going to weep when it leaves us.
Maybe they were onto something with the Suzuki X90.
Certainty One. They are going to crash. Bet on it. Small car or bigger car its going to happen. Therefore you want it to happen in the biggest thing practical.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2016 10:53:04 GMT
I was in a FIAT 127 when it first happened to me. Then an MG Metro - rolled that one, lucky to get out without a scratch (seatbelts are wonderful things). Was alone both times, first was my fault and second was a fuel spill slide in the wet as a result of the Metro's diabolically designed fuel filler. A two seater soft top would need a roll bar installing. Not sure if I'd've been any worse off in, say, an MX5 (assuming roll bar).
So long as they're in something metal and not on 2 wheels then that's the biggest risk mitigated away.
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Post by Humph on Aug 30, 2016 16:03:08 GMT
I've never had a crash, ( but I suppose that's because I'm a driving God ) neither indeed did my father, so I've told my son that he must never have one either or he will be disgracing the family. I think he understands how it is.
My wife however, despite holding an IAM qualification...well, she just needs to reflect on that...😉
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2016 9:13:33 GMT
Well I suppose I've improved on my Dad's record by not being killed on the road yet. Although of course he did take the rather risky step of getting back on a motorbike in middle age. Not that the accident was his fault, but you get my drift.
I'm hopeful for my children, they take an interest in driving and I talk them through what I'm doing in relation to controlling the car and events outside the metal box now and again. I'm going to take them for a spin in the C1 while I've got it, show them how a manual works. Kind of wish I still had my Volvo 360 for them to learn in.
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Post by WDB on Aug 31, 2016 10:10:43 GMT
I'm going to take them for a spin ... Kind of wish I still had my Volvo 360.... What could be more appropriate?
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Post by tyrednexited on Aug 21, 2017 14:51:32 GMT
The next phase has now arrived. Right at the wrong point for insurance renewal the lad (and his car) is now off to his permanent job.
We're in a relatively low-rated area for car insurance here, and though his renewal quote has come in much higher than last year (not entirely surprisingly, since it was noticeably low last year) by shopping around he can get a mainstream insurer's cover for around £100 less than last year, but based on his/our current address).
Within a month he will be living elsewhere, and one possible address (darn sarf) input through a comparison site gives an eye-watering increase on that premium (200% increase!) for that insurer. Funnily enough, having gone through the referred quote process on the insurer's website, a change of detail on that gives nowhere near the same increase!
Whatever the cost, he's got used to the car, and he certainly wants this job, so I suspect he will simply initially have to cover himself here, and either alter or cancel the policy in favour of another when he has a new address (whichever is the most cost-effective).
At least, having lived back at home for over a year, he can well afford it (he has paid for the privilege, but only nominally).
He's a lucky lad, really; kids can find the oddest ways to wind you up.
He did a four-year sandwich degree, with a placement year out at a software house that was just too far away from home to commute for long (logistically feasible without a car, but very early start and late finish, so he had a flat for that year back near Uni, (similar commuting distance but a single train ride) and maintained his social life).
Unfortunately, he (allegedly - though he's still inclined to dispute it) omitted to submit a piece of final-year coursework. Nobody told him, either at the time (what are tutors for; a missed deadline has an allowance of two weeks for submission to achieve a 'capped' mark), or even before results day, so he was rather surprised to find he didn't get a degree. Luckily, he was allowed by the rules to submit a further piece of work (which would be capped at a pass mark) a couple of months later, which he did, gained the maximum "capped" mark, and was awarded his degree.
As it happens, certain marks are discarded when a degree is awarded, and, unless his failed submission would have been marked at a very high level, the discarding process means his degree (2:1) is exactly the same as he would have got, but three + months later.
The process was pretty sh*t and could have been handled by the University rather (much) better (and he'd certainly done the work - which was an electronic submission, as he showed me on the day he got the suprise). It has probably, however, done him a favour.
After completing the reset work, he started applying for jobs somewhat behind the wave, competing with students potentially a year behind him, but with the advantage of a decent degree already under his belt, and was offered a graduate programme position with a major aerospace company, starting next month. At the moment, it's almost his dream job (and I hope it stays that way for some time).
He used his "placement" software house as a reference (he knew it would be good, as they didn't want him to leave and take up his final year!), so I suggested that he let them know he would be using them as a referee, and at the same time make it clear he was available for 9 months or so. They set him on on a short term contract the following Monday! (which he finishes next week).
Now living at home and commuting by his hand-me down car, he's done more miles in it in the last 8 months than it' did in the previous 4 years!
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Post by bromptonaut on Aug 21, 2017 17:07:52 GMT
Shouldn't the heading be Rites of Passage?
/pedant
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Post by tyrednexited on Aug 21, 2017 17:11:58 GMT
Shouldn't the heading be Rites of Passage? /pedant ...indeed it should, and I'd noticed when I put the latest post on (since i searched for the thread with "rites" and didn't find it). Don't know whether it was me and the neural/keyboard interface, or simply a spillchucker, but a few people have "played along" anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2017 17:24:35 GMT
Reading your post today put me back to 1991, same ball ache with Uni, same result and it feels just like yesterday driving away to my first proper job in 'arrogate with National Power.
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Post by tyrednexited on Sept 9, 2017 19:06:24 GMT
Within a month he will be living elsewhere, and one possible address (darn sarf) input through a comparison site gives an eye-watering increase on that premium (200% increase!) for that insurer. Funnily enough, having gone through the referred quote process on the insurer's website, a change of detail on that gives nowhere near the same increase! ...well, the insurance issue has resolved itself relatively satisfactorily. We decided he should go for the reasonably-priced quote for here in the short-term, hoping that the cheaper "change-of-address" quote from the insurer, rather than that from the comparison site, would materialise once he had a confirmed address. Now having got a shared house with other graduates, the change is indeed at the much lower hike (though still significant at around 50%), and competitive with other, though less- desirable (mostly telematics-based) low quotes. It looks like a result, and we get rid of him sometime next week!
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