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Post by Humph on Feb 23, 2024 10:22:47 GMT
The wise words I remember being given a very long time ago were a slightly fruitier version of “get yourself in a position where if necessary/expedient you can tell anyone you like to naff off.” 😉
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Post by EspadaIII on Feb 23, 2024 11:04:18 GMT
As my accountant says, money doesn't happiness but it buys choice...
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Post by WDB on Feb 23, 2024 11:17:46 GMT
The wise words I remember being given a very long time ago were a slightly fruitier version of “get yourself in a position where if necessary/expedient you can tell anyone you like to naff off.” 😉 Crikey! What do you tell the people you don’t like? Any advice that purports to suit eveyone is simplistic at best. The super-rich aren’t super-rich because they lease things; they lease things because they are sure enough of their cash flow (or cash reserves) to choose the model that allows that cash to work most effectively - time value of money, again. Businesses like to shift expenditure from capital to operations for the same reason. Most ordinary individuals do not operate at that level.
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Post by Humph on Feb 23, 2024 11:34:39 GMT
It’s not that I’ve ever actually had to tell anyone to do one (well, not very often 😉) but it’s a good feeling knowing that you could choose to if required. I was self-employed for much of my life, only at the start and end of my career was I employed. Being “owned” by anyone, however benevolently, isn’t my favourite scenario. I could never honestly have included the phrase “team player” in a C.V. Not that I ever got around to writing one!
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Post by bpg on Feb 23, 2024 11:42:59 GMT
You need to be crystal clear in the distinction between PCP and lease in these decisions. PCP you can buy at the end, if the dealer has been a little economical with the truth and rates and set it up as a lease you can't simply buy it at the end as it has BIK type implications. I know this from experience with the KIA. It's not irredeemable if a lease but you will need help from a VAT registered business to work around it.
Is the car a tool or toy (I know grey areas, probably a bit of both) if mainly a tool which enables you to do 'stuff' buy it. If it is mainly a toy and not having it causes no impact on your life give it back, not consuming any energy is the best solution for the planet.
You can't buy a new i3 so do you want to keep it because it is different and few people will ever experience one. If age bothers you stick a pre-1963 plate on it and keep everyone guessing. If you want shiny give it to a detailing company for two or three days and it will seriously come back looking better than new. How difficult will servicing and parts availability become for a niche product ? The simple things like brake pads and cabin filters ? Are they shared with the MINI for example in which case no issue or are they made only for that model ?
We bought our EV with the intention of keeping it until it becomes a driveway paperweight. I really do want to see how long it remains useful for and if they are genuinely better than ICE or if there are other issues that no one has yet discovered.
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Post by WDB on Feb 23, 2024 15:04:47 GMT
You need to be crystal clear in the distinction between PCP and lease in these decisions. I am, and it is a PCP. Is the car a tool or toy? We could live with one but at a cost in convenience and marital harmony. And we can afford more comfort than strictly necessary. You can't buy a new i3 so do you want to keep it because it is different? A little bit, yes. Not as any kind of investment but because it's a genuinely innovative design whose innovation (novelty pig-pen doors apart) actually works and delivers real-world benefits. If age bothers you stick a pre-1963 plate on it and keep everyone guessing. It already has one that doesn't reveal its age - although its lights, bumpers and roof do. How difficult will servicing and parts availability become for a niche product? No way of knowing but it's not that niche. It's a car from a mainstream maker, discontinued only in 2022. I think it shares a lot of unseen tech with the Mini but its car parts are generally unique. I really do want to see how long [our EV] remains useful for and if they are genuinely better than ICE. Yes, me too. And in any case, £14,000 won't buy much in the used market that would be nicer than a lightly-used i3S. And I wouldn't be risking it all, as it's very unlikely to fail completely the moment I make that final payment.
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Post by bpg on Feb 23, 2024 15:36:10 GMT
I wasn't expecting a blow by blow answer simply logging what my thoughts are. Only you truly know what you want from the car.
Lights and bumpers can be swapped, sometimes with a bit of bodywork fettling if it really is a concern or look at aftermarket LEDs. I swapped the rear lights on my RS for the sequential ones for the time I had it, also swapped the aerial for a shark fin which only came with the later Mk4. I'm a bit of a car nerd and can tell which model is which from exhausts, wheels etc never known anyone do it by roof.
Is there an i3 owners club/forum ? They'll keep you up-to-date with what is generally available and what parts are becoming rare Edit: or unobtanium.
14k doesn't buy much these days in terms of three year old cars, like you say, and you've got the plus of knowing the history from day one. That swayed me with our two cars. There are new models coming along, the R5 looks interesting but do I want to be the Beta tester for all these new products ? Nah! I'll give it a couple of years and let someone else pay for the privilege of ironing out any bugs.
For me the i3 falls into the same category as the Audi A2 did in the 90s/00s. It wasn't a mainstream seller, even if it did come from a big auto company, but the people who had them hung on to them for a long time and were very happy with them. Maybe the i3 will have the same following ?
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Post by WDB on Feb 23, 2024 15:57:26 GMT
Yes, the A2 is a good comparison — smartly designed showcase for innovation rather than mainstream volume seller. There certainly are i3 groups and message boards. My car, being quite late in the production run, is probably about as good as i3s get, so I don’t feel the need to further disguise its age. The roof, incidentally, is black right down to where it meets the windows. The 2017 car had a white strip that ran between the glass and the gutters.
I know I’m going to keep the thing really. There’s nothing I can think of that matches its combination of style, fun, practicality (it’s a surprisingly good little load carrier) and urban parkability. I’d miss it if it went, so there’s really only one sensible decision.
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Post by Humph on Feb 23, 2024 16:32:34 GMT
Genuine question, honestly. Why do some people think it’s important to disguise the age of their cars at all? What are they hoping to achieve? If it’s to impress themselves, then that seems a bit pathetic, if it’s to impress others then it by and large doesn’t work. Anyone fooled by a non standard number plate on someone else’s car is also likely to be the sort of person who isn’t interested in cars or that model in the first place. It’s a bit like the saddos who remove boot badges in the hope of making others think they have a bigger engine. Both practices take perceived value off in my opinion rather than add it. Law of unintended consequences etc. Never understood it but perhaps someone can enlighten me?
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Post by WDB on Feb 23, 2024 16:43:33 GMT
Genuine question, honestly. Why do some people think it’s important to disguise the age of their cars at all? What are they hoping to achieve? Don't know, Humph. Disguise wasn't my motivation. I'm just not a fan of the current numbering system. Probably not a decision I'd repeat but it's done now.
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Post by bpg on Feb 23, 2024 17:04:51 GMT
It’s a bit like the saddos who remove boot badges in the hope of making others think they have a bigger engine. Both practices take perceived value off in my opinion rather than add it. Law of unintended consequences etc. Never understood it but perhaps someone can enlighten me? Ford took the badges off for me, well the F O C U S badges across the bootlid, they didn't take them off as such, they don't put them on the ST model. I took the ST badge off the boot because it was a different shade of red to the rest of the car and looked shite. I could have bought some ST stickers in the colour of the car or a contrasting colour but the surround is a chrome effect and as there is no chrome anywhere else on the car it didn't work for me. I've thought about taking the badges off the Volvo boot lid but inertia is wining that battle. The windows/door frames have chrome and there's the big Volvo chrome slash and badge in the front radiator grill so there's enough on the rest of the car to not bother me.
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Post by Humph on Feb 23, 2024 17:09:07 GMT
I worked with a bloke who had a 1.6 Cortina. He had turned the badge upside down so it read 9.1. Quite amusing I suppose, but as you might have already guessed, he was also a fairly much grade A tosser!
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Post by bpg on Feb 23, 2024 17:18:29 GMT
Oh dear ! Is that supposed to offend me ?
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Post by Humph on Feb 23, 2024 17:23:04 GMT
No, not in the least, it was just a tale about a guy I knew 40 years ago!
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Post by Rob on Feb 23, 2024 17:45:00 GMT
I am surprised BMW didn't take the i3 and make a cheaper MINI based off the underpinnings. I know the race to make bigger EVs is to continue to make good profit.
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