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Post by Rob on Nov 26, 2023 19:39:07 GMT
I know we have a DIY section but I know I might miss this post if it was in there. I am responsible for a property as it sells (there is an offer) and as the weather is turning colder I am thinking of draining the water/heating down to avoid any problems over the colder weather. But if I drain the heating then that means someone (e.g. buyer) needs to get it refilled, bled, probably with an inhibitor, etc. So I'm after opinions. The other option I was thinking was to turn off the water supply at the mains (if that turns because it won't have been turned for ages) and under the sink. Then drain the hot water tank and header in the attic by turning on hot water taps. And drain the cold water and toilet. There are only sinks/water downstairs apart from the header tanks in the attic. Should there be a problem with the heating (e.g. header tank) then with the water off I'm thinking damage would be minimal and I've avoided draining all the radiators. This is an old house with old radiators so drain off point on a rad might not exist. And the boiler is a back boiler. Or should I take the cautious option and get it all drained. It is not a cost issue. I'd pop in regularly to keep an eye but the house is in south Wales. Thanks
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Post by Humph on Nov 26, 2023 21:33:00 GMT
For what it’s worth, many years ago, I used to have to leave my flat in Bath unattended for months on end while I was working away in South America. Often over winter, and the same thought occurred to me. Rightly or wrongly, I used to leave the central heating programme running but turned the thermostat down to 10C. Theory was that if the weather got cold enough to freeze the pipes it’d also be cold enough to trigger the boiler. May not be recommended but it must have worked as I didn’t have any problems.
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Post by Rob on Nov 26, 2023 22:03:19 GMT
There is no thermostat for the heating system at the house - so when on via timer it's on constantly. Also there is a back boiler (Baxi Bermuda of course) and it is quite old. Do I risk leaving that on when I am hundreds of miles away.
The thermostat in this house has frost protection... so even if it's off it would come on when the house got down to 5 degrees C. Not sure how cold it would need to be outside to trigger that. It also has target temperatures for times of day. If only there was that at the other house. But there's also the concern of leaving an open flue boiler to operate with nobody there or nearby.
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Post by WDB on Nov 27, 2023 7:50:06 GMT
Might it cost less to have a thermostat installed than to decommission and reinstate the whole system? Similarly to Humph, I found using that protective setting in the now-sold parental home in Sussex was enough. Good thing too, as once the house was empty, the insurer imposed a condition excluding any claims relating to burst pipes.
Further thought: you could also put some thermostatic fan heaters in strategic places, away from anything combustible, and control them with timers, or remotely with a smart plug system like Tapo — although that does require a network connection of some kind.
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Post by Rob on Nov 27, 2023 10:33:00 GMT
No it would not cost less to fit a thermostat because it would need a new controller etc. too. This is an old heating system with manual controls for the heating and it's hidden away in a cupboard in the dinning room. A thermostat would need to be in the hall.
Yes there will be a clause for burst pipes being excluded - hence now it's getting cold wondering if draining the water tanks but not the heating is worth risking.
Putting heaters in instead is going to cost too. But thanks for the suggestion. Draining the system is the cheapest option. And there is no Internet there any longer so remote controlling anything is not possible.
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Post by EspadaIII on Nov 27, 2023 12:20:11 GMT
Strikes me that any purchaser is likely to replace the system anyway so I wouldn't worry about draining it totally and then having to refill with inhibitor etc. Just drain and forget and just let any purcahser know what you have done.
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Post by Rob on Nov 27, 2023 23:00:23 GMT
If it were me I'd put in a combi boiler. But the first time buyers might not have thought that far yet... they want to be in ASAP and yet have not ordered searches. Property also is not on HM Land Registry because last transaction too long ago. They need to register it too.
I'm still likely to drain it next week I think. But did wonder about (as said originally) about draining everything apart from the heating system.
Longer term any purchases could more than double the size of house with an extension.
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Post by EspadaIII on Nov 28, 2023 11:27:33 GMT
So a new heating system would be required anyway.... Drain it fully.
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Post by Rob on Nov 29, 2023 0:03:35 GMT
A new heating system will be required if they want a more efficient system or want to extend. But they are a young couple of first time buyers and not developers. Not sure of their finances. Heating works.
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Post by bromptonaut on Nov 29, 2023 3:20:25 GMT
As per our resident professional I'd get it properly drained so that even if the internal temperature fell massively below zero for days there was no prospect of damage. I think, if you were not going to refill and re-commission shortly before completion, you'd need to be crystal clear via your solicitor/conveyancer that the buyers need to sort that.
We moved into a rental c1990 that had been drained down but as the space heating was Gas Warm Air no rads/headers etc were involved. Landlord sent a plumber to meet us on move in day and he refilled the HW system. It was supposed to heat directly through an adjunct to the warm air system but that wouldn't stay alight. Probably scaled up as the local ironstone clogs lots of things. Ended up with the LL providing a longer a longer and better immersion heater and we used Economy 7 electricity for hot water.
Note what you say about lack of activity by your buyers on searches and, more worryingly, fact this is not registered land. Son and daughter have both been messed around by either sellers or buyers who seemed not to understand what was required of them. I blame the modern tendency to go cheap for conveyancing. Keeping the client in the loop and explaining stuff seems to be one of the 'extras' that's gone out of the window to keep costs down.
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Post by EspadaIII on Nov 29, 2023 12:52:54 GMT
Oh lord yes. Conveyancing on a price is bound to go wrong. I have several files on my desk for valuations of property where the lawyer cocked up due to lack of attention or explanation to the client.
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