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Post by EspadaIII on Nov 9, 2023 12:24:08 GMT
I have walked in and around Manchester and Bury over the last week or so try to buy a poppy for Remembrance Sunday. Cannot find a seller anywhere, neither have my colleagues. Also not seen as many people walking around with them on. Most odd.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2023 13:05:52 GMT
Nobody carries cash/loose change any more. Probably pointless sending people out to sell in those circumstances.
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Post by WDB on Nov 9, 2023 13:23:29 GMT
Fair point. Probably why the RBL has upped the poppy-theatre ante with those ghastly enamelled things for people to order online and show off. Of course, I don’t suppose many buy a new one each year.
There are alternatives, though. I saw a busker at Oxford Circus tube station between lockdowns who’d fixed himself a tap-to-donate device. Trouble was, he’d set it to £2 and he wasn’t that good. 50p might have got him more.
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Post by bpg on Nov 9, 2023 20:27:05 GMT
Could it be geographic ?
I noticed quite a few old style box of poppies and collection pots in shops and bars in Gloucestershire at the end of last month. There were a couple of on street collectors too. I put a couple of quid in but didn't take a poppy, a bit insensitive given where I live.
Hey bpg what's the poppy for ?
It's to remember the people who dropped the bombs you're still digging up.
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Post by Humph on Nov 9, 2023 21:53:02 GMT
Just don’t mention the war… 😬
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Post by EspadaIII on Nov 12, 2023 14:02:57 GMT
Astonishing letter in the DT yesterday. A bloke wearing a poppy was walking through Bangkok airport and was accosted by a young white woman who asked him why he was wearing a symbol of a racist regime supporting the death of Palestinians.
Not quite sure what the RBL would make of that. Anyway I remembered last night I had an enamel poppy, so I made a donation online and am wearing the poppy now.
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Post by bromptonaut on Nov 14, 2023 16:33:23 GMT
There's been a RBL collection box and poppies etc in our village shop as long as I've lived here and through 4 different owners. I suspect though it's down to the diligence of the retired school teacher who coorinates selling in the area.
Got mine from a seller in Sainsburys somewhere in West London on Saturday. Local Sainsbury's last year and they had a card machine. I think the observation about people no longer carrying cash is right. My donation this year was all my loose change but less than a pound. Donation of £10 made online when back on line at the caravan.
I could criticise parts of the ceremonials on Sunday and some aspects of the Legion as being a tad to fetishist about the military but he idea that the RBL is pro-Israel/anti Palestine is beyond me.
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Post by Rob on Nov 14, 2023 23:07:22 GMT
Poppies were on sale at the Tesco store with a card reader. I think there were a few options for how much you gave but the lowest one seemed to be £3.
Talking of the wars and remembrance, found my great grandfather's medal from WWI at my mother's recently. Something I did not know was the name, regiment and rank of a soldier is on the edge of a medal. So my great grandad's SJT (sargeant) and Welsh regiment and his first name and surname I share.... my mother used to say my name had nothing to do with relatives on my father's side but it seems too much of a coincidence. Now the middle name of my uncle and brother came from my grandfather and is far from common... but I'll not post that on here.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2023 9:20:00 GMT
My grandfather was fortunate enough to survive the war, I have his medals framed as my personal act of remembrance of him and gratefulness for his service. I only exist because, whilst he was on active service in North Africa, his baby daughter died of gastroenteritis and he came back home to bury her. During that visit, my father was conceived. I'm keenly aware of the sacrifices he made for those who went after him. His own father died young whilst in service with the Grenadier Guards, shortly before WW1, 4 months before my grandfather's birth. I have found his resting place at Brompton Cemetery recently, and visited him in remembrance recently.
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Post by EspadaIII on Nov 15, 2023 11:21:09 GMT
Having never been in the military, with none of my immediate family serving either (father too young, grandfather in an occupation that meant he did not need to serve) I have limited experience of what is 'fetishist' but I know that as a community we are glad that people served and gave up their lives so that others can live in freedom. Espadrille's great uncle died in WW2 and is buried in Coriano, near Rimini, after being killed in the Battle of Coriano Ridge. The Commonwealth War Grave commission site is beautifully maintained and we have visited it twice. Not too many Stars Of David on the stones but enough to show that we didn't just benefit but participated. My synagogue has an annual brief ceremony on the Saturday before Remembrance Sunday which includes all those members and sons of members who give their lives, including a pilot who gained the DFC.
In a country like Britain celebrating the military who serve under a democratic government should be a given and I do despair that youngsters do not understand what they do. And without Scotland where would most of our squaddies come from these days?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2023 11:29:57 GMT
I don't think celebrating is the right term. Honouring and respecting are probably better words. I still have 2 relatives serving in the armed forces, one is about to retire (and has indeed applied for a job at the Commonwealth War Graves Commission) but a young niece of mine has just embarked on a career as an officer. I don't celebrate their roles but I do respect them and admire their commitment, and thank them for their service and sacrifice. I wish there was no need for them to do it, but I accept the world is real and malevolent.
My B-i-L who is about to retire has had some very close shaves indeed, and has witnessed some absolutely sickening tragedies which he tries not to speak about. After 35 years in service I don't think he sees his experiences as thing to celebrate.
Scots squaddies is exactly what my father's family were.
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Post by bpg on Nov 15, 2023 12:44:23 GMT
Espadrille's great uncle died in WW2 and is buried in Coriano, near Rimini, after being killed in the Battle of Coriano Ridge. My father was in the RAF and was south of Rimini in Ancona. The planes were used across the Adriatic when the Germans were around Zadar. That was as much as he would tell me about his time there. He would rather talk about the times he was not patching up planes and roaming the Italian countryside. He loved the people and their way of life. My maternal grandfather was in north Africa during WW2, he didn't talk much about it.
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Post by EspadaIII on Nov 15, 2023 13:43:49 GMT
I would rather be walking around La Marche than the Mahgreb.
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Post by Rob on Nov 15, 2023 15:47:23 GMT
My grandfather (mother's side) didn't serve in WWII because he was deemed an essential worker - he worked down the coal mines. My other grandfather did service and shot and killed just before the end of WWII by a sniper. He's buried in northern France.
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Post by EspadaIII on Nov 15, 2023 16:27:13 GMT
I don't think celebrating is the right term. Honouring and respecting are probably better words. I still have 2 relatives serving in the armed forces, one is about to retire (and has indeed applied for a job at the Commonwealth War Graves Commission) but a young niece of mine has just embarked on a career as an officer. I don't celebrate their roles but I do respect them and admire their commitment, and thank them for their service and sacrifice. I wish there was no need for them to do it, but I accept the world is real and malevolent. My B-i-L who is about to retire has had some very close shaves indeed, and has witnessed some absolutely sickening tragedies which he tries not to speak about. After 35 years in service I don't think he sees his experiences as thing to celebrate. Scots squaddies is exactly what my father's family were. That's fair enough.. celebrate implies joy and there is no joy in requiring use of the military.
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