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Post by Humph on Sept 21, 2023 11:51:55 GMT
Tee hee! You’re not all that far wrong there !
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Post by Alanović on Sept 21, 2023 11:56:11 GMT
That's why I plan to move further north when I retire and downsize. Well, somewhere north of Reading but south of, say, Daventry, or north of Hadrian's Wall.
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Post by Humph on Sept 21, 2023 12:01:41 GMT
Yeah don’t bother with the bit in between. I made that mistake 20 odd years ago and it’s a bit like the Hotel California.
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Post by EspadaIII on Sept 21, 2023 12:25:00 GMT
Not much more I can add to this, but if you are having some electrical work done, I would certainly have a charger point fitted. I went for a untethered unit; i.e. no cable attached, and if you don't yet have an EV that is the one I would go for. I also bought a spare cable which I keep in the porch but you don't need that yet.
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Post by WDB on Sept 21, 2023 12:36:52 GMT
Socket positioning is a nonsense at the moment. Petrol fillers were moved to the side of the car to keep the petrol in the pipe away from a rear impact. No such concerns with an EV, and only cables to worry about, so how hard would it be to have a socket at each end of the car? It would make layouts at charging stations more compact, so more charging points could fit on the same site.
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Post by EspadaIII on Sept 21, 2023 14:27:39 GMT
Very good idea. Too sensible though and will cost valuable copper.
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Post by bpg on Sept 21, 2023 15:54:22 GMT
While I can see the thinking behind the idea believe it or not weight is a big consideration for EVs.
Running 6m of 150A or whatever cable in a car from CCS port to BMS instead of 1.5m plus the extra CCS port adds weight and cost. I'm sure a normalised position will be found.
You just know some impatient idiot will plug two chargers in at the same time to speed up the charge time. Logic, init !
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Post by Rob on Sept 21, 2023 17:39:07 GMT
Not all properties in the UK can get 3-phase on the electric supply. I have no idea how much it is to install 3-phase in the UK.
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Post by WDB on Sept 21, 2023 17:47:40 GMT
Almost certainly not worth the bother just to charge a car. If you absolutely must charge two cars in one night, are you really going to pop out at 3am to swap them over? Or accept that, very occasionally, you might use a public rapid charger instead?
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Post by bpg on Sept 21, 2023 18:03:09 GMT
Why would you pop out at 3am ? If you have one car with a 64kWh battery and another with a 99kWh battery a 20-80% charge takes 3 hours 30 to 45 minutes to charge the 64kWh car (been doing it for three years). Plug it in at 7pm and it will be done by 10:30-10:45, plug the big battery in before retiring to bed for the evening and both cars are at 80% before the alarm goes off, unless you've got a pre 4:30am start every day.
Edit: above charge times based on 3-P 16A 11kWh charge. You can roughly half them if/when 22kWh charging is available.
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Post by Humph on Sept 21, 2023 18:22:42 GMT
Yeah, y’see “she” goes to one of her keep fit classes every evening and I go for a swim then too. Need both cars, so that’s not going to work is it.
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Post by bpg on Sept 21, 2023 19:17:32 GMT
Do both your ICE cars need to be refueled at exactly the same time ?
EVs, and one for WDB "Things people say" thread, do not have to be plugged in every night. My wife does about 15,000kms/year, the car gets plugged in once per week.
Anyway, horses for courses, as some folk say.
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Post by Humph on Sept 21, 2023 19:22:54 GMT
S’pose there is that.
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Post by bpg on Sept 21, 2023 20:03:30 GMT
I've been deliberately jumping from side to side on this debate playing devil's advocate.
My personal views have not changed: EV, low urban emissions ideal for urban driving and driving up to around 60mph. Petrol, OK for those wanting a buzz. My view is this is for lawn mowers and motorbikes but everyone has their own opinion. Diesel, unmatched for range.
Of the ICE I struggle with Euro VI petrol. Petrol and diesel both have similar emissions and from my own petrol vehicle with direct injection and a GPF I'm seeing similar behaviour to my Euro V diesel with regeneration. On overrun, from time to time, it continues to consume petrol when there is no engine load. Does this mean there is some kind of GPF regeneration happening ? I don't know but it is burning petrol when there is no demand hence, my personal belief, diesel is better than petrol if you do the miles when comparing Euro VI*.
Yes, an EV can be used outside what I said above like a MK1 Panda can do a pan-European road trip. It's up to the individual what meets most of their needs. What is important is, if we are to continue with the current model that everyone and anyone can have a car, they have the vehicle which has the least environmental impact for what they need it for most of the time. Unfortunately, politicians and mayor's are not the people to make that call as they change their minds more often than their socks and appear unaccountable. Setting the standards for a country based on one city is ridiculous.
*There are so many Euro VI standards it's difficult to make direct comparison across all the options.
Edit: it may be as simple as a crude table: If you have a diesel averaging less than 60mpg buy a petrol If you have a petrol averaging less than 50mpg buy an EV.
Edit2: obviously exceptions have to be made for those who genuinely have need for heavy duty vehicles. A Ferrari registered as a taxi need not apply.
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Post by Rob on Sept 21, 2023 20:59:57 GMT
The idea of needing to charge two ICE cars at the same time (or at least the same night) is probably not the case. But if you did want to and were on a tariff with cheaper electric for a period overnight.... popping out to swap them over might not be much fun. Then again the cheaper window won't be enough to charge both of the examples above.
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