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Post by EspadaIII on Jul 26, 2023 13:28:58 GMT
He is a populist in the Trump mould but clearly not as bad personally even if his politics are not desirable. However I have huge sympathy over this banking issue and expect the whole board of Nat West to resign.
As a qualified professional and a senior examiner in that professional my role is to ask questions about professionalism to candidates. Conflicts of Interest and Client Confidentiality are drummed into us when training and it is a very serious matter if such aspects are breached. For a bank like Coutts to discuss a client like Farage in the way they did on matters that have no bearing on his banking and then to release information (of any description) is appalling, even more so if the information released is a total lie.
If I did not have too many client accounts with Nat West too consider moving, I would be seeking new bankers asap. Just dreadful how they have treated him, especially when he apparently treated the staff with utmost courtesy.
Rant over. Very upset that major organisations think that they can get away with this. I worry for everyone who is not some downtrodden employee.
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Post by bromptonaut on Jul 28, 2023 10:23:35 GMT
Farage is a high profile political actor. In spite of never being elected to the UK Parliament he's all over the media, his appearances on Question Time are a scandal of their own. Even setting aside his views on the EU he's siad stuff that makes him pretty controversial - as summarised in Coutts own internal report.
A bank, any bank, is perfectly entitled to decide to end its relationship with a customer. They may, or may not, give reasons - depends on the circumstances. In some cases, though not apparently applying here, they're prevented from saying why.
Coutts concluded that, as a high profile provider of private banking to individuals of high net worth, being associated with Farage was a reputational risk. While one can say "oh no he is not" I don't think the decision to 'sack' him was one which no reasonable bank could have made.
Where they went wrong was in the way it was done. The CEO of the parent company, Nat West, briefing a BBC reporter and doing so in terms that were not the whole truth adds considerable fuel. That she seems to have done so, and done it in a way where she was not properly protected as a source of background should be, is ample reason for her to fall on her sword. Similarly Coutts CEO for the original screw up.
Making this about a man denied access to those banking services we need for modern life is, to use a term from another place, total bahoolix.
I agree, and the law, ironically retained EU stuff the Faragistes would have removed without though as to consequence, says we're entitled to a bank account so as to allow normal life. That means as a place to receive your income and via cash, card or automated payments, deal with your living costs. The sort of 'basic account' my clients with no fixed address can access.
Any add ons whether credit, advice on your 'wealth' a fancy name on your cheque book and a glass palace office in the Strand are just that; available subject to status. Farage, I suspect, has sufficient net worth to meet the status requirements for credit etc.
There are regular pieces in the finance pages of the papers about people who have had accounts closed or applications declined. Upon proper exploration many are to do with Brexit; people resident in the EU and not the UK might find UK banks unwilling to continue - a simple regulatory issue.
Others, and we've seen both Gina Miller's political party and a group engaged in the Sex/Gender debate fall victim is that some banks, Monzo amongst them, don't wish to offer acppunts inviting donations to campaigns. Commercial decision where, in a bank operating in a low cost environment, the regulatory/risk issues are too great. Same with so called PEP type persons. Ironically, the Chancellor of the Exchequer was declined for that reason by one of the challenger banks.
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Post by EspadaIII on Jul 28, 2023 13:32:23 GMT
Blanket PEP bans are ridiculous though. Surely people like the Chancellor is (almost) above suspicion and to enable democracy to function, legitimate political parties must be able to open bank accounts at any bank. Is it Denmark that everybody is entitled by law to a bank account?
The regulatory points about UK citizens who no longer live in the UK are also stupid. I have lots of friends who are UK citizens but now live abroad but retain property and other assets in the UK. They have been de-banked for no good reason. Surely a UK citizen with a UK passport is entitled to certain basic facilities, especially if they in one way or another, pay UK tax?
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Post by Rob on Jul 28, 2023 14:03:12 GMT
If I moved to Greece on a visa and got to stay in the EU for more than the 90 days by becoming tax resident, most UK banks would close my accounts because I was no longer tax resident. All because we wanted to leave the EU.
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Post by bromptonaut on Jul 28, 2023 16:44:38 GMT
Blanket PEP bans are ridiculous though. Surely people like the Chancellor is (almost) above suspicion and to enable democracy to function, legitimate political parties must be able to open bank accounts at any bank. Is it Denmark that everybody is entitled by law to a bank account? The regulatory points about UK citizens who no longer live in the UK are also stupid. I have lots of friends who are UK citizens but now live abroad but retain property and other assets in the UK. They have been de-banked for no good reason. Surely a UK citizen with a UK passport is entitled to certain basic facilities, especially if they in one way or another, pay UK tax? AIUI the banks have no say in who is a PEP. Nor over the hoops they might have to jump through to manage such accounts. If the accounts of political parties, charities etc didn't carry regulatory obligations I'd agree 100%. The reality though is that if a dogs home or a football club turns out to be stealing donations or subs, never mind a cover to launder illicit funds, the first question will be 'why didn't the bank smell the fact that they were fishy? ISTR years ago, when dealing with the affairs of an old lady who'd had her money stolen by a crooked 'friend and adviser' that Counsel advised that his bank was added to the proceedings. And we're much, much tighter on such thins now than in the late nineties. The reason your friend have been de-banked is (a) Brexit and/or (b) ever tighter regulation of banks. AIUI everybody in the UK is entitled to a bank account. However that requirement is met by a basic account with no overdraft, a simple payment card and a facility for DD/SO payments. Other bells and whistles are subject to status.
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Post by EspadaIII on Jul 30, 2023 11:01:43 GMT
Most overseas UK citizens would be happy with that, but most are simply debanked. Maybe the post office offers something?
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