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Post by WDB on Apr 3, 2023 20:59:52 GMT
Today’s Times reports that VW is not planning a Golf 9 to succeed the present 8.
Thomas Schäfer, the chief executive of VW cars, said: “With that, the car is set until the end of the decade. Then we have to see how this segment develops. If the world develops completely differently than expected by 2026 or 2027, we could develop a totally new vehicle — but I don’t think it will. So far that is not expected.”
I’ve never had one, although I’ve come close a couple of times. Perhaps I missed out because the time, in my mid-20s, when one might have suited me best, was when the Golf was at its slow and stodgy Mk3 low point. The 4 was a return to form, especially the TDI 130, but by then I had a family and needed something bigger.
15 years later I went shopping for a Mk6 and came home with a BMW. And most recently, there might have been a GTE but that turned out to be an i3. So, while the Golf is arguably the only car anyone needs, it’s never quite fitted a niche in my life. And now it probably never will.
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Post by Humph on Apr 3, 2023 21:04:01 GMT
Had two consecutive new GTis back in the late ‘80s. First one was an 8V and the second was a 16V. Liked them then, but wouldn’t want a modern equivalent now.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2023 8:02:13 GMT
You know what, Dubya, that's been my story with the Ford Focus. I've still never even driven one. I had a Golf Mk4 TDi 100 auto you my remember, and that was a fine car, and maybe I should have hung on to it. It's still on the road today, approaching 200k miles I think.
It's odd that VW and Ford should abandon such successful, well known and well loved badges as Golf and Focus though, surely they could slap the names on an EV.
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Post by WDB on Apr 4, 2023 9:01:57 GMT
Ford allowed the Focus to dissolve into blobby anonymity. The first two generations were sharp and distinctive but the current one could be just about anything. This may be part of VW’s thinking on the Golf: that it has a distinct identity that reflects well on other VW products, and that they are afraid of destroying by sticking the badge on the wrong machine.
I actually think they may have this wrong. Part of VW’s success is that they’ve not just gone small-medium-large, like BMW and MB; a Polo has a distinct character from a Golf, which is (mercifully) quite different from a Passat. I can see that the ID.3-4-5 nomenclature is a way of shouting, “Look, electric!” in a situation where they’re behind the market and need the attention. But in five years’ time, when EVs are just ‘cars’ to most buyers, they may be glad of something with a bit more identity — as perhaps we’re already seeing with the Buzz van.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2023 9:07:59 GMT
Yes, agreed. Never understood the Passat hate though, I like Passats. Very much liked the one I had on rental last year. Comfy, quiet, poky, roomy, a bit thirsty for a diesel mind you. Bit like the Corollas we're discussing elsewhere, they just do the job, properly.
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Post by WDB on Apr 4, 2023 9:15:38 GMT
Yes, I suppose so. But a Škoda Superb can do the same job, only with a bit of charm and usefully more space.
To be fair to Passats, I last looked at one in 2012, when I was already pretty much set on a used Mercedes and was wondering if it might change my mind. It didn’t. They may be less dreary now.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2023 9:20:28 GMT
I like the Passat CC. And the later Arteon, which is a Superb in disguise. All cars are dreary in black/silver with a black interior. I don't think dreariness is particularly model specific.
It's DSG which puts me off VAGs, I imagine that is going away with their EV range though. A neighbor of mine has just bought a brand new ID3, they always buy black and silver, and this one is no exception, being silver, but I am quite taken with the thing. It is replacing a 2015 (silver) Audi A3 TDI quattro DSG. Another neighbour has got an ID4. I am not taken with that thing.
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Post by WDB on Apr 4, 2023 9:28:58 GMT
I’ve not driven an ID3 but I got a lift home in one the other week. It’s OK inside but I understand the (many) criticisms I’ve read of the interior. It is missing that ‘just right’ unfussiness that makes the Golf so easy to like.
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Post by EspadaIII on Apr 4, 2023 15:19:20 GMT
My first wife's mother had a Mk1 Golf in 'Nazi' Red (so "christened" by her grandmother). It was excellent in many ways so I bought a Mk2 CL which had the high torque but low power 1.6 engine. I then got a company car which was a Golf Driver. That was a 3-door CL with some GTi type externals and different internal trim.
Espadrille came to Manchester with a Mk3 Golf which was so poor in comparison to the Mk2, especially in terms of quality of trim and fit. Not driven one since then. Like Dubya, once the Mk3 was replaced by a Mitsubishi SpaceWagon we have never needed anything else like it.
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Post by Rob on Apr 4, 2023 21:14:20 GMT
The Arteon is not a Superb in disguise - it's a Passat lift back/hatchback. But both the current Passat and Superb and Arteon and Golf.... etc. etc. are based on the MQB architecture.
Back to the Golf name though - I'd read it will make a come back on an EV. It's too important to VW.
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Post by WDB on Apr 5, 2023 8:05:27 GMT
Does your source outrank the chief exec of VW, Rob? 😛
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Post by Humph on Apr 5, 2023 8:10:21 GMT
All the car you ever need etc. Wonder what will pick up the title?
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Post by WDB on Apr 5, 2023 8:36:22 GMT
Not sure VW ever used it as a strapline. In fact, wasn't it in the TV ads that Nigel Hawthorne and Tom Conti did in the 1990s for the - gasp! - Vauxhall Astra?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2023 9:01:25 GMT
The Arteon is not a Superb in disguise - it's a Passat lift back/hatchback. Hmm, well, yeah, no, yeah...The Arteon has a longer wheelbase than a Passat, but slightly shorter than a Superb. So I guess it's a halfway house. It certainly *appears* to have more rear legroom than a Passat, but slightly less than a Superb. The hatchback version is certainly more akin to a Superb than a Passat saloon. But they're all three good cars, and it's nice to have such a variety of shapes and sizes and layouts to choose from, if you're in the market for such a vehicle.
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Post by Rob on Apr 5, 2023 14:59:30 GMT
VW brand head Thomas Schäfer says the Golf name could be applied to an EV with hints that the ID brand and Golf could be used alongside each other.
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