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Post by WDB on Aug 21, 2023 14:52:37 GMT
I can fit in the back, behind the seat set for me to drive. I’ve not measured (except with my own legs) but I reckon rear legroom is at least the equal of the CLS, although the car is quite a bit shorter.
The Ioniq 5 is marginally better than the iPace, the iX3 much the same. The EV6 has more length but it’s less usable because the seat is too low. Only the Enyaq has appreciably more room.
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Post by Humph on Aug 21, 2023 16:45:02 GMT
Shamelessly stolen from a motoring website, a quote from a car journalist. “Jaguars always have an air of bookmakerish vulgarity”
Lounge lizard to bookie then?
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Post by WDB on Aug 21, 2023 17:02:19 GMT
Until Kia produced the EV6 it was hard to imagine a greater transformation of design language than Jaguar’s, from the golfy, Brexity S-Type to today. Jaguar should have been competing for my business for the last 20 years but until the iPace came along, I’d never even set foot in a showroom.
Denis Thatcher was a Jaguar man. I don’t think the iPace would have been his cup of tea — or gin.
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Post by dixinormus on Aug 21, 2023 17:33:24 GMT
Lovely looking car WdB; can’t you find a similar one closer to home?
Thought I had read somewhere that these were becoming plentiful on the used market now? In which case I would have thought that the price wouldn’t have been that high?
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Post by WDB on Aug 21, 2023 17:56:59 GMT
Prices seem to vary hugely, even within the Approved stock. iPace specs are hard to compare without going point by point. Jaguar still does the Long Options List thing that others ditched during the pandemic and the chip shortage, so one SE or HSE may have features that another does not. But there seems to be no ‘going rate’ for, say, a 2021-71 HSE; you might see a 2019 car advertised for more than a 2021.
I take this as evidence that sellers are having to adjust prices, in response to softening demand coinciding with a glut of 2019-21 cars coming off leases or PTPs, but are not doing it uniformly or together. I suspect the higher prices are the anomaly, and will eventually be dragged down too.
I probably need to get on the sales radar of a dealer or two: show that I’m a serious buyer and ready to move fast for the right car. As I understand it, Approved cars come from a central pool, and dealers bid for the cars they think they can sell. The right one for me may just be an expression of interest away.
Haven’t got MrsB1 into one yet, of course. Probably ought to fix that soonish.
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Post by bpg on Aug 21, 2023 18:16:32 GMT
Yes, best fix that and don't do what I did. I asked my wife if she had any thoughts on which car I should get.
"Get what you want, it's your car"
She likes to remind me about the Recaro seats and how snug they are also, how low to the ground the car is especially when getting out.
Instead of going through each and every car comparing, make a list of must haves and maybe nice to haves put those into the search and see what pops out.
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Post by Humph on Aug 21, 2023 18:21:53 GMT
My brother in law once asked his wife to accompany him on a car shopping trip. She refused and said he should just buy whatever he wanted. On his return she asked him if he’d bought anything, to which he replied that he’d bought a Honda. When she asked which model it was and whether it would accommodate the children and their detritus, he had to admit that it probably wouldn’t as it was a Fireblade motorbike.
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Post by bpg on Aug 22, 2023 12:56:41 GMT
That Taycan estate thing is flipping gorgeous. I've never seen one of these on the road. I thought/hoped one might have popped up driving through Baden-Württemberg this summer. Looking at the pictures and side profile I get a strong whiff of stretched, late 90's BMW Z3 M Coupé. Quite a few cars locally popping up on 'E' plates* most of them Audi hybrids. *E suffix being used here like the green tab in the UK to indicate it can drive further than a mile or two on battery power.
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Post by Humph on Aug 22, 2023 13:15:10 GMT
I have a Mercedes E… 😉
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Post by WDB on Sept 11, 2023 14:31:44 GMT
My iX3 man sent me a personal video message (!) this morning. (Jeff Lynne would have sent me a dream from the end of the world.) Apparently there’s extra ‘support’ from both BMW and the dealer chain he belongs to, which will give me the ‘best possible deal’. He might, too; he did well for us with the i3S at a time when getting a new car at all was a challenge for many.
I may call him back.
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Post by EspadaIII on Sept 11, 2023 15:10:31 GMT
If it's choice of a great deal on a iX3 or Jeff Lynne coming to my house to sing Mr Blue Sky in person; I know which one I would take.
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Post by WDB on Sept 14, 2023 6:58:27 GMT
I did call him back. He’s sure he can offer me his ‘very best price’ but what he’s sent me so far works out no cheaper than the offer that appears on most dealers’ websites if you ask to finance an iX3. Certainly not compelling for me, and potentially more expensive than the overpriced company option.
He may have more to offer, and I know he (or his chain) has the annoying habit of pricing in gap insurance and paint protection, neither of which I want or need. But those add a few hundred, and I reckon he’s several thousand adrift of what I’d consider a compelling deal.
We’re still a couple of weeks from the end of the quarter, so he may have further to go. But he (gently) boasted in his phone message late yesterday that they’d already sold eight iX3s, so someone must be going for it.
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Post by Alanović on Sept 14, 2023 7:56:34 GMT
God I hate dealing with car salesmen these days. Urgh.
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Post by Humph on Sept 14, 2023 8:32:58 GMT
I think WDB is doing fine. Many people are not very comfortable with negotiating or are too impatient to wrap up a deal. If you’re prepared to hold your breath while keeping the seller interested enough to believe there’s a happy ending possible, you’ll usually end up with a result that suits everyone. Ultimately, the best situation is when the customer and the vendor both feel comfortable with the deal.
Having said that, I do dream of a society where prices are transparent.
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Post by Alanović on Sept 14, 2023 8:41:57 GMT
Oh he is indeed. Far better than I ever do. I am very uncomfortable when negotiating, and always feel (wrongly) to be a submissive participant. I don't think I've ever got a particularly good deal from a car dealer (apart from my 2 Leaf deals, but I didn't have to negotiate those as they were so good at face value), I'm just happy to get it over with.
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