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Post by Rob on Jul 27, 2022 22:24:47 GMT
I just wanted an opinion on here not that it will carry any weight legally. If something is described as approximately 120m2 but is actually a bit under 100m2 would you say that's okay? To me saying Pi is approximately 22/7 is nearly the right figure.
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Post by EspadaIII on Jul 28, 2022 5:40:58 GMT
Not sure if there is a legal definition but to me, given that I use areas daily for formal and frequently Court ordered reports, approximate means that the actual item, measured very accurately is X and approximate is within a reasonable percentage of X.
In valuation, a reasonable percentage is between 5% and 15% depending upon the type of property and how complicated it is to value. In measurement of a building I would expect all surveyors to be within 5% or less of each others areas.
If you bought something which is meant to be 120sq m and it was actually 100sq m, it is too small.
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Post by Rob on Jul 28, 2022 11:44:44 GMT
Thanks for that. This relates to a house which is basically a square and an oblong next to each other so only 4 measurements needed.
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Post by EspadaIII on Jul 28, 2022 12:24:02 GMT
In that case I would certainly agree that 100sq m is not approximate to 120sq m. It is way below.
You need to know how it was measured. There are different ways of measuring (Gross Internal, Net Internal or Gross External). For housing, Gross Internal should be used but estate agents rarely have the brains to understand this.
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Post by Rob on Jul 28, 2022 13:59:28 GMT
I don't know how the engineer measured it - but it is the seller's engineer. The estate agent will have probably just measured the outside but I think they included the verandas too. Hence a difference of 20sq m.
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Post by EspadaIII on Jul 28, 2022 14:28:00 GMT
If it's local to Greater Manchester I would happily pop by and do a proper job for you. Engineers are fine for enginnering, not for measuring a house for the purposes of sale or valuation.
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Post by Rob on Jul 28, 2022 16:07:58 GMT
It's Greece. Their term for engineer will be different to what we think. I have other questions you might help with (even though it's Greece) but I'd no discuss those in public.
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Post by bpg on Jul 28, 2022 18:59:17 GMT
Use it to your advantage. If the price is 240k€ offer them 200k€ and tell them that's approximately right.
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Post by Rob on Jul 28, 2022 20:56:17 GMT
Nice idea - but not going to work.
Something else I'm wondering about is how much rain water can a approx 6 inch pipe move from downpipes connected to the drain it's connected to. Pipe itself is probably at say a 30 degree angle.
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Post by EspadaIII on Jul 29, 2022 8:32:17 GMT
I reckon Google could help you with that one. Pipe FlowIf you need further advice on 'surveying' matters, please PM me. |
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Post by Rob on Jul 29, 2022 17:58:13 GMT
Sent a PM - but that says it would be easier to email you so I can attach some images  |
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Post by Rob on Jul 29, 2022 18:01:05 GMT
Also thanks for the link - I had tried Google. I wish I could recall some of the specifics I helped look at within the civil engineer department of a council where I worked a few summers. Did calculations on culverts and also snow and wind load calculations on factory roofs. I think the council got tens of thousands in fees to do some of these checks and I was a low paid summer intern doing all calculations because the civil engineers were snowed under. Of course they checked what I produced on their simulation software - BASIC programs in reality doing the calculations.
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