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Post by bpg on May 23, 2023 15:09:33 GMT
Citroën C4 GP was like that between the front seats and allowed access to the middle row too.
It's good to try all the different cars out there but I'm sceptical a feathered arrow or industrial logo KIA will replace a silver arrow on the driveway of T-Rex towers. Can't see either of those getting signed off at the finance approval stage.
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Post by EspadaIII on May 23, 2023 15:52:28 GMT
I forgot something! The dealer forecourt was a bit of a jungle this morning, and when I brought the car back I couldn't just abandon it by the showroom door as other customers were trying to manoeuvre their cars through the same space. So I ended up parked nose-in in a rather narrow spot. The i3's frameless windows help here but the I5 doesn't have those. But it does have a flat floor and a sliding console, so I pushed everything back as far as it would go - and got out on the wrong side. I think the last car I exited like that was my mum's Renault 4. That is a great feature, but the better feature is the 'summon' feature which allows you to move the car forwards and backwards whilst standing outside it. You position the car immediately behind a narrow parking spot, get out and move the car using the remote control into the space. I think Tesla as something similar and it gets used more often than you would think. Of course when you come back you can move the car out of the space before you get into it. |
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Post by WDB on May 23, 2023 16:48:55 GMT
...I'm sceptical a feathered arrow or industrial logo KIA will replace a silver arrow on the driveway of T-Rex towers. Can't see either of those getting signed off at the finance approval stage. The badge would not be an obstacle in either case, certainly not for MrsB1. If anything, she thinks I am needlessly profligate on cars - although my 11 years of silver arrows have cost an average of about £165 a month. But we've had a Škoda before and would happily have another if it was the right machine. (I might have a bigger problem accepting an Audi, though.) |
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Post by Rob on May 25, 2023 18:37:07 GMT
If the space between to cars is too small to get out when parking then the owners of the cars either side of you can't open their doors... so they can't get in. And if they try they might damage your car.
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Post by WDB on May 26, 2023 9:06:32 GMT
But imagine a future in which all cars have this function. Less space would have to be given over to car parking, more room for humans.
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Post by Rob on May 26, 2023 9:29:20 GMT
But you'd need more space in front of cars to allow you to line it up before getting out. The self parking I've had on two cars would park a car in a space but of course you were in it still. but at least it reverse parked it, turning the wheel as it went. Not a simple back/forward manoeuvre. \
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Post by WDB on May 26, 2023 9:54:12 GMT
But you'd need more space in front of cars to allow you to line it up before getting out. Not really. Even if the Hyundai system insists on perfect alignment, plenty of people today shuffle their car around before driving forwards into a space, and row spacing allows this. But it's really only a question of what is enabled in the software. The reversing camera on my 2013 car can plot the curve into a parking space. If the car had control over the steering too, it could do it easily. Just stop the car, confirm an on-screen query from the car that you agree on the space it's identified, get out and let the car park itself. The spacing between rows we have today would be plenty. |
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Post by Rob on May 26, 2023 16:36:21 GMT
You know the reason the car won't park itself when you're outside if because if there is an 'accident' who is responsible. Backing it up and moving it forward in a straight line with the key fob has you in control. Until there is a change in the legal position I doubt cars will be parking themselves with no driver present for a while yet.
Of course the Skoda and BMW I had would park themselves and do the steering. The Skoda needed you to change from reverse to forward (it was a DSG) but the BMW would do the gears and braking.
In terms of lining up a car... most cars parks would struggle if your car was over 5 metres long to manoeuvre into position to the have it lined up for a space to simply move it backwards.
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Post by dixinormus on May 27, 2023 21:36:35 GMT
Remember when we had to park cars ourselves, without even reversing cameras or parking sensors?!
And now we even have compulsory software that tugs the wheel for us if we can’t stay between the lines on the road…
Progress eh?
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Post by Rob on May 27, 2023 22:21:34 GMT
Progress indeed.... and none of us know the legal ramifications fully. But if using what I understand as accepted levels of self driving.... have an accident of any sort and it's your fault as the driver.
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Post by WDB on Jun 1, 2023 13:21:42 GMT
If I were to go [the Approved Used iX3] way - and I might - then I'd have to get past my feelings about tall cars. I passed a CLS SB like mine on the M3 and it looked quite diminutive from my vantage point. There's really no need for this thing to be so bulky, and the same powertrain and attributes in something shaped more like a 5 Touring (or an iPace) would be so much more appealing - to me. But I think that battle may be over - "No demand for them, sir" - and perhaps this is what a car to carry four adults has to look like now. Well, the 'first look' reports are coming in on the i5, and they say there'll be a Touring version in spring 2024. It'll be EQE-expensive, of course, but it will exist. And it will have an Ioniq 5-rivalling wheelbase, so it ought to have the interior space I'm after. www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/all-electric-bmw-i5-touring-confirmed-2024 |
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Post by bpg on Jun 1, 2023 15:13:13 GMT
The estate looks better than the saloon, the new 5 and 7 saloons have a serious case of does my bum look big in this with the step up from the C pillar.
They could have done more with the rear window on the estate. I get the rearmost side windows have to flick up to avoid the greenhouse look but then the step down to the rear window looks odd, a bit unfinished.
Fingers crossed they've sorted the awkward front end they've been producing of late.
I'm sure from inside none of the above matters and it will be a lovely place to be, with some seats off the options list.
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Post by WDB on Jun 1, 2023 15:46:28 GMT
The standard seats were in the 6GT I tried two years ago and they’re simply not good enough in a car that expensive. Not to worry, though, as apparently all UK 5s will have the Sports seats. Same applies to the iX3 and the seats in that are just fine.
The saloon has some of the same heaviness around the hind quarters as the iX — without looking downright bizarre, partly thanks to a more discreet grille-effect product. (I refuse to call them ‘kidneys’.) The estate, I agree, is more pleasingly proportioned than either of those, or the iX3 for that matter. Certainly a thing I’d be happy to have on the drive.
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Post by dixinormus on Jun 1, 2023 21:26:49 GMT
On the drive, Yes, WdB. But I’d not want to take it far on our crowded, poorly-maintained roads - it’s too expensive for that alas.
Am thinking that it’s just not worth spending more than £30k on 4-wheeled propulsion, as motoring becomes less enjoyable and more expensive…
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Post by dixinormus on Jun 11, 2023 4:39:04 GMT
The Skoda Enyaq has been on sale for a few months down here, with the first cars arriving this month. Interestingly Skoda have cut GBP6000 off their previously advertised prices overnight!
Makes you wonder how they got the pricing so wrong initially, or if I am being cynical, how much margin there is in some of these European EVs. They’re all trying to be premium, but nobody is buying them whilst Tesla and the Chinese are so much cheaper!
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