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Post by WDB on May 18, 2022 20:15:59 GMT
Do you not believe there is a climate crisis, Norm?
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Post by bpg on May 18, 2022 21:14:20 GMT
As long as China, Russia, the US and now India stick two fingers up to the world whatever a relatively small number does will not put off the inevitable.
The whole UK can move to the Eden project, cycle everywhere, and have gross zero pollution, the output from the four big polluters will still cause climate change. How do you get them to agree to do something, anything when there is no incentive in their eyes/minds/wallets?
You can argue everyone has to do something, not everyone is of that mindset. Never have been and you will not change that.
Edit: you can wash your car and sweep your doorstep, you'll be doing it again next week.
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Post by bpg on May 19, 2022 8:02:17 GMT
The UNFCCC has been in place for 30 years. Kyoto extended that, was signed in 1997 and came into force 2005. Only Europe, Kazakhstan and Australia honoured the treaty fully. Canada dropped out and America didn't even ratify it.
Fix the above, get everyone in agreement then we stand a fighting chance.
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Post by Rob on May 19, 2022 23:31:31 GMT
Talking of fuel cost. When I first got the 330e the Manchester/Stockport scheme was free as was PodPoint at Tesco. Then the Manchester scheme became be.ev or something like that and charged. But I still used it and I think it was initially about 13p/kWh and soon rose to 24p. I still used it and it worked out a bit less or similar to petrol at the time.
Well Be.Ev will soon charge 49p/kWh for the normal fast charger and 59p for rapid charging. Petrol has not gone up as much as this in this time. So these will now cost a lot more. At the moment my home electric is still about 18p/kWh until October 2024.
Not that I have the 330e.... but I've found it for sale and the BMW dealer selling it was about £33k for it.... just £7k less than brand new 18 months ago. Some newer cars are less but it seems plain black with electric heated/fake leather seats are preferred to metallic paint.
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Post by bpg on May 20, 2022 4:32:10 GMT
Main dealer testing the waters, long wait times for new cars. Someone will bite and pay what they want or very close or, the car will stick if inflation is biting in your area.
Watch it and see if it's an accurate marker.
Free public charging for electric cars was only ever a lure to get the early adopters in, you don't get free petrol or diesel. Even at 59p it's still way cheaper than fuelling my petrol car.
The drive we did at Easter my car averaged just under 29mpg@1.80/litre for 99RON petrol works out at £70 for 250 miles. Our BEV is currently averaging 4.77 miles/kWh would require slightly more than 52kWh of battery charge to cover 250 miles at a cost of £30.92. still less than half price fuelling.
Adjusting the above petrol calculation for E10 petrol at £1.639/litre and the car averaging 27mpg the cost would be £68.99.
I have put E10 through the car once and the economy did drop. Not a scientific test by any means though I still believe 27mpg would be representative of real world economy.
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Post by dixinormus on May 20, 2022 4:55:27 GMT
Interesting figures bpg. But note that your ICE car is a rather sporty, thirsty one! The comparison would look different if you were cruising around in something like the VAG 1.4tsi and getting, say, high 40s mpg (which many people do)!
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Post by bpg on May 20, 2022 5:29:24 GMT
The BEV is relatively sporty too with over 200hp.
If WDB or Al were to do the numbers for their cars it may be less expensive for them.
For my diesel getting 53mpg it still works out at £38.60.
Edit: assuming 49.9mpg on E10 petrol which I seriously doubt anyone is getting with normal driving you're still looking at £37.33 based on £1.639 for a litre of E10.
Now, consider the 59p I based the BEV calculation on was worst case you could use motorway services station prices for E10 which are closer to £1.80/litre.
I've skewed the numbers as far as possible in favour of ICE it's still >19% more expensive to fuel ICE.
Edit2: You'd need to be averaging >60mpg using E10 to match the most expensive BEV fuelling option mentioned above.
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Post by WDB on May 20, 2022 7:56:51 GMT
The BEV is relatively sporty too with over 200hp. If WDB or Al were to do the numbers for their cars it may be less expensive for them. Probably not so much. The i3S has something like 180hp but when it’s not moving, it’s not consuming. An EV has no ‘overhead’ to compare with, say, a 3.0 petrol engine idling at a red light; a 1.0 wastes a lot less. All this means that an EV’s consumption is much more directly proportional to the speed and acceleration the driver demands of it. Even a super-high performance EV like a Taycan will be very economical when driven gently. That’s not to say there aren’t differences in efficiency between EVs, but they’re more to do with mass and aerodynamics than with performance potential. The iX3 I’m trying this weekend is, on paper, notably more efficient than the similarly-sized but more EV-looking iPace. This may be because it has only one motor and 2WD — so less mass and friction in the drivetrain — and drive modes biased towards coasting rather than regeneration. I’ll be interested to see how it performs in practice. |
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2022 8:30:46 GMT
At the moment my home electric is still about 18p/kWh until October 2024. How have you wangled that one?? |
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Post by Rob on May 20, 2022 12:25:11 GMT
I switched supplier last October for a fixed deal until October 2023. That was when Martin Lewis was saying don't change. I just checked and it's actually 19.28p per kWH for electric with a sntading charge of 24.38p/day. So it's not 2024... I did post late so made a mistake  |
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Post by bpg on May 23, 2022 10:57:29 GMT
Maybe someone here is smart with economy numbers and inflation as a %. I'm a bit baffled how inflation is in single figures when:
- Diesel up 56.7% in the last year
- Electricity up 42.8% in the last year
- Heating oil has increased 142% in 6 years since we bought this house.
Have flat screen TV prices collapsed to offset these rises ?
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Post by WDB on May 23, 2022 11:15:22 GMT
The ONS publishes the ‘basket’ of items it uses in the calculation, and they don’t all get equal weight. Even so, this is behind the recent acknowledgment that those on the lowest incomes are feeling the effects more because the bare essentials are where the biggest increases are. You can put off buying a new ‘flat screen’ (!) TV till next year, but the electricity bill and the grocery shop won’t wait.
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Post by WDB on Jun 9, 2022 8:55:37 GMT
£100 now to fill an ‘average’ car, whatever that is. (And if Pay At Pump will let you take that much.) Still people yelling for cuts in VAT and ‘green levies’ rather than just helping those who really need it.
I expect I’ll still be able to fill the Aygo for 50p when the time comes. It’s still got most of its last fill from April.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2022 10:30:25 GMT
I'm taking the Civic down Kwik Fit tomorrow for its new tyres, it's just above the low fuel warning level at the moment, so I think I'll use it for the school run and drop in to Asda (cheapest locally at 173.9) on the way from school to Kwik Fit and fill it up ready for the road trip in July. I won't be using the car before then and it might save me a pound, seeing as it looks like things are only going one way still. Then it'll be next filled in Germany, where I understand the government has reduced prices a bit. Then it'll be Hungary or Serbia for the next fill I expect. I'll have a look at average prices in those 2 countries and see if I can engineer a stop in whichever is the cheapest.
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Post by bpg on Jun 9, 2022 10:38:34 GMT
Download the clever-tanken app for Germany and stay away from Autobahn service stations - they're 30+ cents/litre more expensive.
I'm considering switching from the Focus to the eSoul for our upcoming trip to the UK. Just need to get some roofbar feet to fit the battery powered car.
Edit: thanks admin for the subtle substitution. B-E-V is now Born-again Environmentalist's Virtuemobile I see. How very Daily Express.
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