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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2022 17:05:40 GMT
#1 has a job. I had declared that whilst I was willing to pay tuition, board, living expenses, transport and Goodness knows what else, I would not pay for booze. If she wanted to drink and party then she needed to work. So she went and got a job. At £13 ph which seems high, but what do I know.
First she had to apply for her NI number. They take 4 months to reply!!! And that's their service level target, we've yet to see if they will actually do it.
Consequently this seems to impede her getting a tax code, and that seems to mean that she pays taxation at about 30% until they sort it out.
Service levels to one side, does that approach sound correct to the panel?
And if it does, can I assume that she will get the excess tax back at some point in the future either by tax code or via a rebate if it is in the next year?
Thanks in advance.
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Post by Humph on Jan 31, 2022 18:56:14 GMT
Probably more one for Bromp, but I’m fairly sure she could apply for a government gateway log in and submit her own tax return for 21/22 any time after April this year.
If that all went to plan, any rebates would be electable as cash payments or as an adjustment on her tax code.
I think.
Avant would have known, bless him.
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Post by WDB on Jan 31, 2022 19:06:32 GMT
Boys1and2 have both done Self Assessment returns in recent years to recover tax paid on proceeds of their grandmother’s estate. It was painless and reasonably quick, but they did each have an NI number beforehand.
In this tax year, Boy2 has done a few weeks of till and stockroom work for a supermarket at about £10 an hour. The employer noticed that he was a student with no real chance of earning more than his personal allowance, so got him a tax code that deducted no PAYE. La Chilenita ought to be able to arrange something similar.
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Post by bpg on Jan 31, 2022 20:09:10 GMT
Thanks for the reminder TC, it's been so long since I had anything to do with HM tax office and every man and his dog now appears to do a tax return, anything I said would be 20+ years out of date.
I did have it in my mind to apply for Ms bpg's NI number now she is 16 and has been dropping hints about going to the UK when she completes high school.
I think my (and probably everyone else on here) NI number just dropped through the letterbox a few weeks after turning 16. Different kettle of fish for those living outside the UK, especially now.
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Post by EspadaIII on Feb 1, 2022 6:00:05 GMT
Mark, having a NINO or not makes no difference to her tax position as she has no tax history. My son worked in a bar for several months and went onto an 'emergency tax code' just as your daughter will. Tax will be deducted and eventually overpaid tax will be returned either via the government gateway or a cheque. Getting her NINO will help of course and four months seems reasonable under the current circumstances of civil servants getting paid to sit at home watching daytime TV.
My other son is now a civil servant and I am daily astonished at the bureaucracy and incompetence of his superiors.
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Post by bpg on Feb 1, 2022 9:39:24 GMT
Getting her NINO will help of course and four months seems reasonable under the current circumstances of civil servants getting paid to sit at home watching daytime TV. Please stop reading the Daily Express Espada. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2022 13:04:53 GMT
>>Mark, having a NINO or not makes no difference to her tax position as she has no tax history.
Interesting. Then how does she get assigned a tax code? Is there anything she can do to accelerate that process? Can it be done before her NINo is received?
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Post by bromptonaut on Feb 1, 2022 14:10:20 GMT
>>Mark, having a NINO or not makes no difference to her tax position as she has no tax history. Interesting. Then how does she get assigned a tax code? Is there anything she can do to accelerate that process? Can it be done before her NINo is received? The Tax Code should I think be £1287L which would allow her to earn £12870pa (so about a grand a month) without paying income tax. At that level she should pay around £30/month in NI. It sounds as though she's been given the tax code BR which assumes all her allowance is used against other income so she'll pay 20% tax on every £1. There should be a tax code on her payslip; what is it?. If she's new to employment ie had no P45 to show earnings to date then I think it would be up to HMRC to tell the employer the code to apply. I'm not sure without further research how the absence of an NI number plays in this. At one time employers would use a dummy NINO where the correct one was not known but I last saw that before I left the Civil Service and it may no longer be possible. The wait for NINO is a disgrace - we see it with (eg) asylum seekers who have been given refugee status or people who have come here as family members. If they're claiming benefits there's supposed to be a system that gets them a NINO so as not to delay their first payment of Universal Credit after 5 weeks. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2022 14:33:29 GMT
Thank you.
>>it would be up to HMRC to tell the employer the code to apply.
Can this be expedited?
>>I'm not sure without further research how the absence of an NI number plays in this
If at some point you have the opportunity to look without it being a pain, I'd be grateful.
>>The wait for NINO is a disgrace
Agreed. And also I don't understand why it should be that long. Surely it can only be that they simply ignore the application for 3 months and then deal with it. I cannot imagine there is anything that actually takes that long.
She did get her provisional driving licence in about 20 days, so that was ok.
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Post by bromptonaut on Feb 1, 2022 14:51:36 GMT
That's fine Mark. I'm at work at the moment and (see my own new thread) trying to get my son out of a slough of despond over mortgage valuation for a house he's set his heart on so a bit pre occupied.
I'll have a look when I'm home this evening.
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Post by bromptonaut on Mar 6, 2022 13:39:02 GMT
Mark, was going to come back on this and never did.
Is it any nearer being sorted.
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Post by WDB on Mar 6, 2022 15:24:22 GMT
Boy1 also has a job, a 12-month industrial placement with an engineering and technology consultancy, starting in August or (probably) September, then returning to Southampton to complete his M.Eng.
He’ll earn enough to have some tax to pay, but he’s already in the system so that should be straightforward. I think he’s done rather well. 🤠
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2022 19:50:21 GMT
Mark, was going to come back on this and never did. Is it any nearer being sorted. Funnily enough the National Insurance number arrived in the post yesterday morning. So whilst it hadn't been sorted until now, I have high hopes that it will be this week. |
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Post by EspadaIII on Mar 7, 2022 11:14:14 GMT
Not to slow then. That's good.
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