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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2022 13:12:05 GMT
Last night an almost new Nissan XTrail was stolen from outside a house a bt along from me. A week ago another XTrail, also new, was stolen from a house around the corner.
Chileans love rumours and they love conspiracy theories and so now they are all excited chattering about how every XTrail within 20 miles will be gone by Tuesday. Sadly though, my wife ha a Murano and since that is a Nissan she's joining in.
But I am curious....
In both cases the distance from the front gate to the house is 20m or so, so I cannot believe that any kind of receiver/transmitter relay is being used. The distances are too long.
I cannot see how in either case they could have got the keys.
Apparently one can break into a keyless car, plug a laptop into the EOBDII port and program a new key. This seems somewhat unlikely for the streets of Chile, but I guess it could be.
I assume that I am correct that without the appropriate signal (from the correct key, a new key or a relay) there is no way the car can be started and driven away?
So, other than getting the keys, catching the signal, or programming a new key by hacking the car, is there any other way these can be stolen? Other than using a low-loader of course.
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Post by bpg on Jan 29, 2022 16:06:57 GMT
4 or 5G SIM modem used as a repeater ?
Does Nissan have an app allowing locking/unlocking of the vehicle ? Potential weakness giving access to the vehicle.
I use an old steering lock on my car and keep the keys in a tin which I've held next to the car to check it's not leaking signal to the keyless door receiver. Keep the keys in the microwave when I'm in the UK.
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Post by Rob on Jan 29, 2022 18:00:55 GMT
I assume a new Xtrail has an EPB so if you break in it's not easy to disengage although there will be manual override by removing trim (saws this in the manuals for the A3 and Superb... I seem to recall).
Were these cars fully keyless for start and entry or just start? I only have keyless start and it won't start if the key is outside the car so they either had a means of relaying the signal from a key (don't think 20m would be a problem) or maybe they stopped the car from locking and just lifted it on a transporter? If not locked the alarm would not be on.
I have my BMW enabled in the app so I can lock/unlock it but the authorise the app you had to be in the car with it on. Could even use the QR code on the screen to add it..... But all this connected car stuff is at risk of being hacked.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2022 18:21:33 GMT
Well, you live and you learn.
One can acquire a pre-programmed box with an OBD plug. All one need do is break into a car, plug the lead into the OBD port and it will automatically disable the alarm, immobiliser and any other security and 'tell' the car that the required key is present. It takes about 20 seconds and one has to have a box specifically for that group of vehicles. No intelligence or skill is required other than knowing where to find the OPD port.
Clearly the scroats around here have go or made one programmed for an XTrail. I need to try and find the range of vehicles it will fit to know if the Murano is safe.
There are a number of solutions;
1) OBD lock - a bloody expensive metal block which fits to the OBD port and must be opened with a key. 2) An OBD socket with the wires totally rearranged into the wrong holes. Comes with an adaptor unscrambling teh wires for an ordinary OBD plug to work 3) Dummy but powered OBD socket which appears to be live but isn't. Comes with an adaptor to move the real OBD else where, typically within the glove compartment. 4) And OBD extension lead simply to more the OBD port elsewhere.
Of them all, 3) seems to me to be best combination of price and effectiveness though does involve a level of 'fitting'.
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Post by EspadaIII on Jan 30, 2022 10:24:15 GMT
Cor! what a situation. I am sure that this type of TWOCing will soon arrive in the UK if it has not done so already. Makes one yearn for the old days of Ford keys...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2022 15:19:26 GMT
Turns out there is a 5th solution, and the one my wife has gone for.
She has had a remote fuel cut off fitted which is tied to a little tag she keeps separate from the keys but with her. One doesn't need to do, press or switch anything. But if the car gets more than about 50m from the little doohickey for more than 60 seconds it starts a routine which cuts off the fuel 60 seconds later.
Damned smart little thing, the tag is about the size of half a Wrigley's chewing gum strip, and absolutely no sign that anything is fitted at all. And since it's well up and inside the bulkhead, you'd not only have to know it was there, but also where it was, to disconnect it and reconnect the original wiring.
Makes the car impossible to nick and should one have it hijacked from you, then after you are ejected from the car you have 2 minutes to make yourself scarce before the villains get cross.
I can't find a link to it, but when/if I do I'll post it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2022 15:30:47 GMT
Though I wonder how one knows when the widget battery is getting low....
Probably best just not to mention that.
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Post by bpg on Mar 10, 2022 13:02:28 GMT
Sounds like a pretty unobtrusive solution.
Is there an add-on for a big spike to shoot up out of the drivers seat when the cut off happens ?
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