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Jul 23, 2021 11:35:10 GMT
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Post by WDB on Jul 23, 2021 11:35:10 GMT
Well, I’d have to look at the MG in similar detail to answer that, but I can tell you what I like about the Enyaq. Space is the main thing: it’s about the equal of the CLS in a shorter footprint, which is impressive. And it’s nicely made — bendy door bins apart — and distinctively designed, on the inside at least, which makes it a pleasing object. And I like pleasing objects, as you know.
Calling the MG ‘not an SUV’ seems marginal to me; look at the amount of front wing above the wheels. It’s still a crossover, just not quite as tall as some — only 84mm less than an Enyaq. It’s also 100mm shorter than the Enyaq, all in the wheelbase, so it’s unlikely to match it for passenger space. Stumpies might not mind that; I do. 😛
The MG is also adapted from a fossil model, rather than being a clean-sheet EV design like the Enyaq, so it sets aside space for mechanical components that aren’t even there. Of course, this saves money but you’re not getting an equivalent experience or product to the Enyaq.
So it doesn’t appeal to me — quite apart from my Abingdon loyalty inclining me to treat a Chinese MG the way I do Essex-brewed Old Speckled Hen. But I can certainly see the utilitarian, car-for-your-money argument.
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Jul 23, 2021 11:41:27 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2021 11:41:27 GMT
Are you talking about the MG ZS, rather than the MG 5? Or do you really think the 5 is a crossover? Surely it's a plain old fashioned estate car? The ZS is of course an SUV/Crossover whatever thing. MG5 = estate MG ZS = SUV Attachments:
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Jul 23, 2021 12:00:38 GMT
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Post by WDB on Jul 23, 2021 12:00:38 GMT
Thanks, but I can tell the difference — as can Google. 🤓
It’s not full-SUV tall (1600mm-plus) but it’s taller even than the jacked-up All-Terrain version of the E estate, and fully 100mm taller than my CLS SB. And it has that too-big-for-its-wheels look of many cheaper crossovers. So no, I don’t think it quite qualifies as an estate car — not that labels really matter, and that’s not my reason for not wanting one.
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Jul 23, 2021 12:19:54 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2021 12:19:54 GMT
Oh right OK. No way in the world I'd think of the 5 as a crossover even, let alone an SUV. Every media review I've read calls it an estate, and that's waht it looks like to me. Anyway, hey ho.
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Jul 23, 2021 20:18:22 GMT
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Post by dixinormus on Jul 23, 2021 20:18:22 GMT
Is the MG ZS cheaper? They must be very similar underneath the skin? In which case I’d go for the cheapest.
The ZS EV is one of the cheapest new EVs on the market here and is selling well. About GBP 22 grand on the road.
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Aug 7, 2021 17:25:38 GMT
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Post by WDB on Aug 7, 2021 17:25:38 GMT
Went back today for a second look at the Enyaq, and particularly the passenger space. Boy1 came with me, as he’s (a) the one most interested, and (2) the one most often stuck behind me on a long journey. I particularly wanted to check my observation from my first go that the electric front seats seemed to steal kneeroom from those behind.
Well, I may have been wrong there. I didn’t drive it this time but I was careful to set each car up as I’d want it, and there were no complaints from behind in either case. I confirmed it with my own legs, and with a tape measure that showed 75cm horizontally from rear seat backrest to back of front seat. The equivalent measurement in the CLS is 70cm, with less space for feet under the lower seat in front.
It helped that neither car had the (fortunately optional) sunroof. Headroom, front and rear, is excellent, which means everyone can adopt a comfortable position and have scope to adjust, which makes all the difference on a long trip.
So I’m encouraged. The manual seat car also had the ‘Loft’ interior, with two-tone fabric seats and a woven textile on the dash top too. Very appealing, and makes me think that leather interiors will look very dated in a couple of years. I think it’s what I’ll specify if I order an Enyaq.
Which I may well decide to do. Much will depend on next week’s A level results, and our consequent commitment to university runs to York, or Birmingham, or the University With a Long Name that Sounds Impressive But Actually Shows It Used To Be a Cycling Proficiency Centre. That might mean six extra 500-mile trips a year for three years, probably not enough on its own to justify a change of big car. On the other hand, the CLS will be 11 years old when Boy2 graduates, and I probably will want to replace it before then.
Boy1 also suggested we should look at the Mercedes EQC. As we were only two minutes from the dealer that sold us the E220, we popped in and they had one. And it’s quite nice. I’d need to look up the details but it seems a bit shorter than the Enyaq, and it lacks the Škoda’s huge, deep boot. But it’s not bad inside, 72cm behind my seat and with headroom that’s better than adequate, if not as good in the back as the Enyaq.
The interior in this one was dull Mercedes black leather, but I prefer the dash layout to the Enyaq because it has real buttons to adjust the temperature and turn off the radio. The door bins don’t bend when you pull them, either — at least, not in the front. It’s bound to cost more, but it may be nice enough to warrant that, as the CLS has been, and have enough room for two regulars plus two occasionals. I’m going to try one anyway and find out.
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Aug 7, 2021 23:07:36 GMT
Post by EspadaIII on Aug 7, 2021 23:07:36 GMT
The Ionic5 is now available to test drive for those of us who logged onto a live video presentation on Wednesday. Before you order the Enyaq go and measure up the Ionic 5. It appears to have a good combination of screens and real buttons, a flat floor and a lot of leg room, with rear seats that slide to increase or reduce the boot space.
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Aug 8, 2021 0:33:33 GMT
Post by Rob on Aug 8, 2021 0:33:33 GMT
Reviews of the Ionic 5 seem to imply you'll not get a better alternative. Give it a few months and there will be a load more BEVs.
Not sure I'll be after a BEV for my next car in 2021 or more likely 2022.
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Aug 8, 2021 9:10:24 GMT
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Post by WDB on Aug 8, 2021 9:10:24 GMT
Yes, the Ioniq 5 and the EV6 are on my list to view. Headroom may be a concern but there’s one way to find out. Hyundai-Kia seems to have found the mojo that Toyota — the maker I expected to be leading the way by now — has lost.
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Aug 8, 2021 12:16:59 GMT
Post by EspadaIII on Aug 8, 2021 12:16:59 GMT
What is it with these Q's??
EnyaQ IoniQ
And we thought Mondeo was stupid back in the day...
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Aug 8, 2021 13:44:00 GMT
Post by WDB on Aug 8, 2021 13:44:00 GMT
Well, the EQC and the Enyaq may look similar but they really are very different beasts. The EQC is more than 100mm longer, taller too, but has less room inside because it's an adapted fossil design rather than a true EV. It has more than twice the power - 300kW to 130 - but needs it as it is also 500kg heavier. And its WLTP consumption is higher by 40 percent - 230ish against 159 Wh/km. So the same amount of charging time will yield much less restored range. (The iPace has the same problem, although it's slightly lighter and has a bigger battery.)
I was curious enough yesterday to look under the bonnet. There's a lot of kit there - not far short of what the CLS has up front. It's one motor of two, but the one that does most of the regular work of trundling the car about. The Enyaq can have a front motor too but it's an expensive option - £10,000 or so - that I don't really think it needs.
Oh yes, and an EQC does cost more than an Enyaq. £30,000 more than the 60 model I've configured and well over £20,000 more even than a high-spec 80 like the one I drove. Much as I like, y'know, shiny, I think that's going to be a tough case to make. But it won't stop me trying one, or going back for another look at the iPace.
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Aug 8, 2021 17:35:41 GMT
Post by Rob on Aug 8, 2021 17:35:41 GMT
I'm surprised at the cost of the front motor on the Enyaq. It will have the bigger battery but that's available with just the one motor. But even with two motors it's still a lot cheaper than that EQC. Blimey that's expensive.
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Aug 8, 2021 19:30:26 GMT
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Post by dixinormus on Aug 8, 2021 19:30:26 GMT
Those figures really do make the EQC sound like a lumpen dinosaur WdB. Sounds like Merc still haven’t really embraced the new world of EVs.
Toyota seem adamant that full EV is not the future. They have largely conquered hybrid and seem happy staying there. In their eyes the future thereafter would appear to be hydrogen?
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Aug 10, 2021 9:57:24 GMT
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Post by WDB on Aug 10, 2021 9:57:24 GMT
Well, long motorway journeys are looming. Boy2 will be studying at York from September. This does mean we’ll need a suitable vehicle; I’m less clear on whether that’s the one we have or an Enyaq.
The range discussion is so boring and so not the point but let’s do it anyway. York is 191 miles away on foot and only 214 by car. An Enyaq 80 would do that on one charge; a 60 might need a top-up en route, but we’d need a break in a four-hour drive anyway. Either way, it’s an overnight trip, so we get a charge at our hotel and set off for home fully fuelled.
It seems viable to me. And the car has the space to make it a comfortable trip for everyone. But there isn’t time to change before September, so doing the first trip in the CLS will tell us whether this is a problem we should be solving now.
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Aug 10, 2021 10:01:38 GMT
Post by Humph on Aug 10, 2021 10:01:38 GMT
York is a nice place to hang your hat for a while. What will he be studying?
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