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Post by bpg on Nov 16, 2022 16:58:37 GMT
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Post by EspadaIII on Nov 16, 2022 18:04:11 GMT
The advert has been taken down...
I really like the Peugeot 508. A very handsome car. Everytime I see one I think it looks great and hasn't dated in the three years or so it has been out. If I was to revert to an ICE, it would be near to the top of my list.
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Post by bpg on Nov 16, 2022 18:10:46 GMT
The 508 available as a PHEV here.
I'm kind of over EV for now. We got our letter of renewal for electricity in January. 33% increase in daily standing charge and 126% rise in kWh unit charge equates to around 140€/month rise based on current usage before the EV starts requiring more frequent charging over the winter. I don't spend 140€/month on fossil fuel.
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Post by dixinormus on Nov 16, 2022 20:29:36 GMT
The Powershift gearbox did for the Mondeo in these parts - expensive failures of its plastic innards around 60k miles. Got itself a bad reputation.
Mazda 6 seems to be the perennial wagon of choice in ANZ. Petrol-powered of course. Or an old Legacy. Legacies seem to be unkillable.
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Post by Rob on Nov 16, 2022 21:24:52 GMT
I quite liked the look of the 508 but the only model available in my price range as a PHEV was lower spec and I didn't add it to the list. Boot space was not reduced because of batteries. I also didn't think I'd like the silly 'i' marketing which meant you had a smaller steering wheel etc.
But I had a 208 hire car in Greece earlier this year and quite liked it. Not sure how much it was with the property torque converter this one came with but it worked well with the 1.2l turbo petrol engine. A good size for the narrower roads on Corfu.
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Post by bpg on Nov 17, 2022 5:57:20 GMT
I took a look at the Peugeot website, 53k€ starting price for the standard 225PS hybrid, 72k€ for the performance version with 360PS twin motor hybrid.
700+€/month is a lot for a Peugeot but something we're going to have to get used to in the new world of don't stack 'em high and sell 'em cheap. Not sure how those who like to pit their wits against the salesperson are going to cope being told the price is the price and there's no haggling/room for negotiation.
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Post by EspadaIII on Nov 17, 2022 8:24:36 GMT
In some respects I am glad that the days of haggling over a car purchase are gone. A car is a basic consumer purchase, the list price is public and you should simply buy what you want at a known price. If you want to pay less then do what we do for domestic appliances - go online and see who has the best price. After all, a BEV can now be considered to be a domestic appliance.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2022 9:10:15 GMT
The Powershift gearbox did for the Mondeo in these parts - expensive failures of its plastic innards around 60k miles. Got itself a bad reputation. Mazda 6 seems to be the perennial wagon of choice in ANZ. Petrol-powered of course. Or an old Legacy. Legacies seem to be unkillable. This was the reason why, when I was toying with the idea of a Mondeo as a low mileage 2nd car for occasional use and occasional long drives, that I was looking at the 2.3 petrol as it came with a pre-Powershift TC auto. Mazda 6s are great (if you recall I've had 2, both 2.0 petrol auto Mk1 facelifts, one hatch one estate), but nearly every single one I look at now has some kind of rust mentioned on its MOT history.
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Post by bpg on Nov 17, 2022 9:40:24 GMT
In some respects I am glad that the days of haggling over a car purchase are gone. A car is a basic consumer purchase, the list price is public and you should simply buy what you want at a known price. If you want to pay less then do what we do for domestic appliances - go online and see who has the best price. After all, a BEV can now be considered to be a domestic appliance. I'm watching with interest and not so sure about mobility and the greater impact on the economy. Fewer cars on the road may be considered good for the environment but reduced mobility will cause the economy to shrink - growth being based on peoples ability to move around, forcing people to work closer to home. I'm also not convinced about Government green credentials of telling motorists they are the cause of all environmental ills while selling pollution passes to industries based on the pollution reductions made by motorists. Motorists getting both ends (cost and blame) of a shitty stick and no overall improvement to the environment. Government get tax income from vehicle sales and environment passes to industries. All cars are so much more than a domestic appliance. They are always connected.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2022 9:52:46 GMT
The 508 available as a PHEV here. I'm kind of over EV for now. We got our letter of renewal for electricity in January. 33% increase in daily standing charge and 126% rise in kWh unit charge equates to around 140€/month rise based on current usage before the EV starts requiring more frequent charging over the winter. I don't spend 140€/month on fossil fuel. I'm still charging my car at 7p per kwh. And my daytime rate is at the price cap, so I couldn't really be any better (relative term) off. I'm hoping my off peak tariff remains available next spring.
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Post by bpg on Nov 17, 2022 10:03:05 GMT
Hang on to it for as long as you can. Once these energy price increases kick in for everyone I think it will have a significant impact in the shift to battery powered cars. Pre-COVID to today has seen an increase of 52% on the price per litre of diesel here locally, increasing that further will really hammer the economy with the choice between powering the home and feeding the people inside. The pending energy price increases do not just affect the few with EVs. I'm keeping a spreadsheet with daily usage and outside temperatures as that appears to be a major factor in EV economy. Currently diesel is costing me 11 cents/km, the EV is costing 5 cents. With a 126% increase in the cost per unit of electricity and increased energy consumption in winter, regardless of how much energy is being consumed, EV has lost its running costs advantage and the purchase price will cause people to think long and hard about a switch.
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Post by Rob on Nov 17, 2022 17:59:28 GMT
Al you mention Mazda6 and rust - when mine went back at 4 years old it had no rust. But it no longer shows up as insured on AskMID. Last MOT was in 2016 at nearly 100,000 miles so someone added over 50k miles to it after I no longer had it. I assume it went kaput (e.g. DPF related failure) or it was crashed before it needed another MOT in Sept 2017. None of the MOTs mention rust problems either.
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Post by EspadaIII on Nov 18, 2022 6:44:01 GMT
The way to improve mobility and reduce emissions is to cut the cost of moving house by scrapping stamp duty for all principal private residences. That way people can move to better jobs without having to increase commuting distances.
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