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Oct 10, 2024 0:52:33 GMT
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Post by dixinormus on Oct 10, 2024 0:52:33 GMT
Or maybe there’s already a MrsB2..?! 🤣
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Post by EspadaIII on Oct 14, 2024 13:00:37 GMT
You will probably say that I deserve it but...
Arrived in Israel last night for the festival of Tabernacles and more importantly to visit our daughter.
This morning got a welcome from Hizbollah. A siren sounded as we were walking across the road from our apartment. We ran back and stood between the lifts waiting, when there were about six loud booms which I now understand to be the Iron Dome wiping out rockets from Lebanon. I am 60 miles from the border.
I have been here many times when there has been something going on, including the 2006 Lebanon War which felt quite remote, but this time I was quite apprehensive; this feels a lot bigger, and I have been back several times since 7th October. Being honest I would not have come out this visit if our daughter was not living here now and being only 20 and having some minor medical issues, having her parents around is a big thing for her even if it only for a couple of weeks.
Anyway it makes for exciting news back home and arranging flights is also interesting as no Non-Israeli airlines are flying so there are a lot of people finding all sorts of different routes to get somewhere where an Israeli airline flies. Fortunately, shortly one starts flying to Manchester soon, bringing hordes of football fans to the north west for the weekend (genuinely the purpose of the flights; Friday and Monday). Sounds like a good reason to go to Israel to avoid them in spite of the rockets.... Don't think the Ayatollah supports ManCity.
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Post by WDB on Oct 14, 2024 13:35:19 GMT
You will probably say that I deserve it but... Not me, Esp. The geopolitics means that the factors of provocation and mitigation are not evenly balanced, but we know that retaliation and reprisal just lead to endless cycles of the same. I want you and everyone else there to be safe — and charlatans who claim supernatural authority for oppression in the secular domain to be kept well away from the levers of power. All the best, my friend.
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Post by EspadaIII on Oct 14, 2024 18:39:07 GMT
Thank you. Second set of sirens tonight this time with personal sight of a rocket being destroyed in the air. The locals I was with barely gave it a glance.
Iranian drones and missiles are a different thing though. Hope I don't experience that this trip.
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Oct 15, 2024 19:24:18 GMT
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Post by dixinormus on Oct 15, 2024 19:24:18 GMT
Stay safe. Not sure I understood WdB’s final sentence above, but I think I echo the sentiment!
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Oct 16, 2024 4:57:12 GMT
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Post by EspadaIII on Oct 16, 2024 4:57:12 GMT
Thanks.
I think he was having a go at the Ayatollahs and equivalents from other religions. If so I would not disagree.
An unpleasant aspect of my visit to Belfast was the divide between the Loyalist and Republican communities. The obvious hate towards Jews and Israel in the Catholic areas was matched by the support from the Protestant areas. But frankly I doubt many from these communities go to church and whilst all support is welcome, if it exists simply as a response to the hate from their enemies, I'm not sure I want it.
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Oct 16, 2024 11:23:33 GMT
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Post by WDB on Oct 16, 2024 11:23:33 GMT
I think he was having a go at the Ayatollahs and equivalents from other religions. I was. Theocracy benefits only the theocrats, and nobody claiming to know ‘the will of God’ has ever been right.
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Post by bromptonaut on Oct 16, 2024 12:21:54 GMT
Thanks. I think he was having a go at the Ayatollahs and equivalents from other religions. If so I would not disagree. An unpleasant aspect of my visit to Belfast was the divide between the Loyalist and Republican communities. The obvious hate towards Jews and Israel in the Catholic areas was matched by the support from the Protestant areas. But frankly I doubt many from these communities go to church and whilst all support is welcome, if it exists simply as a response to the hate from their enemies, I'm not sure I want it. Why would Catholics (ie people who identify as Irish) be more prone to antisemitism than Protestants (ie those who identify as British)? I'm not saying you're wrong just trying to follow the logic...
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Post by EspadaIII on Oct 18, 2024 8:11:43 GMT
As far as I understand it, the IRA was armed by the Palestinians and Ghaddafi and thereafter there has been animosity to the Jews. Have a look at a Glasgow Celtic match at home, there are always Palestinian flags on display by supporters despite being asked not to bring them.
Anyway the mood in Israel last night was much more relaxed. There is a sense now that the main obstacle to a sensible cease fire has been removed. Sinwar wanted amnesty and immunity for himself and his family if there was a ceasefire and the Israelis could not accept that. It would like letting Hitler live and move to South America at the end of the war.
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Oct 18, 2024 14:19:40 GMT
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Post by WDB on Oct 18, 2024 14:19:40 GMT
My recollection is that the IRA’s main sources of support were in the US.
I don’t think the Hitler comparison is valid. WW2 was not a war of vengeance and retribution, not in Western Europe anyway. But the sooner Israel stops this one, the better.
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Oct 20, 2024 7:40:07 GMT
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Post by EspadaIII on Oct 20, 2024 7:40:07 GMT
Funding was definitely from the Irish families in the USA. Arms were from the Arabs.
Israel would stop fighting today if the hostages were returned this morning.
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Post by bromptonaut on Oct 20, 2024 8:25:23 GMT
Funding was definitely from the Irish families in the USA. Arms were from the Arabs. Israel would stop fighting today if the hostages were returned this morning. A quick Google of sources who have written extensively about the Provisional IRA and arms say that Libya was a big supplier. Aside from having sympathy with the Nationalist cause Ghadaffi saw funding the IRA as part of his mission to undermine the west. Other stuff was bought wherever it was available with US money. The PLO in the Arrafat era was also sympathetic to Irish Nationalism and offered arms and training to the Provos. However the risk of moving arms under the noses of Israeli intelligence meant little if any Palestinian hardware found its way to NI. One of the big mistakes, in reality deliberate lies and misinformation, of the Israeli government is to equate support for the Palestinian cause for their own state with anti-Semitism.
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Oct 23, 2024 5:30:05 GMT
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Post by EspadaIII on Oct 23, 2024 5:30:05 GMT
I would counter your last comments by saying that if the Palestinian supporters did not fly the flags of terrorist organizations and shout slogans with clearly indicate that Jews should be eradicated from the middle East, then I would accept that there is no equating Pro Palestinian support with antisemitism.
Unfortunately every Pro Palestinian supporter demonstrates a desire to see Jews murdered.
The majority of the Jews killed on the 7th October 2023 were left leaning in their political views, who would generally have desired a two-state solution and many of the kibbutzim on the edge of Gaza were active in promoting a positive dialogue including taking patients to hospitals in Israel because the hospitals in Gaza, of which there were many, did not have the full range of facilities.
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Post by bromptonaut on Oct 23, 2024 10:18:46 GMT
Unfortunately every Pro Palestinian supporter demonstrates a desire to see Jews murdered That's offensive. I, like many many others, am pro Palestinian and opposed to their ill treatment in both Gaza and the West Bank. My beef is with government of Israel and I and have no desire whatever to see Jews, Israeli or not dead.
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Oct 23, 2024 20:03:36 GMT
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Post by WDB on Oct 23, 2024 20:03:36 GMT
It’s certainly inaccurate. We can see, and object to, the injustice being perpetrated on the Palestinians without wishing harm to anyone in Israel.
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