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Post by Rob on Aug 10, 2016 15:28:12 GMT
We have a combi boiler (Baxi of some sort) and when you turn on the shower the last few days it's not switching the boiler on. Turn on any other hot tap and it comes on. Take off the shower head and it seems to kick in ok.
So it might be flow related. I have tried cleaning the shower head and water comes out anyway. Water flow might be a bit lower overall the last few weeks though.
Water might also be a bit slower to heat up but that could be me imagining it.
I'd have asked this elsewhere but Zero was the one more likely to have some good suggestions of what to try before calling a plumber.
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Post by Humph on Aug 10, 2016 15:32:41 GMT
In the meanwhile just hose the family down in the garden every couple of days I guess. That's what I do with the dog anyway.😉
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Post by Rob on Aug 10, 2016 15:37:01 GMT
It's certainly an option. But once you get the boiler going (e.g. turn on the tap as well) it works... for now.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2016 16:01:14 GMT
Slower water flow, unless it goes to extremes, will normally cause the water to heat up more quickly, certainly not slowly.
Sounds like the head is blocked up and you've failed to clear it. A pin and a lot of patience works. In the opposite direction to the water flow. Remember to flush before reconnecting.
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Post by Rob on Aug 10, 2016 16:23:14 GMT
At first I thought it was definitely going to be a problem with the boiler. But turn on other hot taps on it turns on. But not with the shower (with head connected). I'm off the next few days so will have another go at cleaning the head. A replacement isn't going to cost much but if it's not the fix then a waste of money.
I'm now wondering if water pressure is a little lower than it usually is.... I could measure/time something filling but I have no reference point.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2016 12:33:57 GMT
Not sure where you live Rob, but if you are in a hard water area, try descaling the head by leaving overnight in acetic acid (or Coca Cola)..
It does sound like the only problem is slow flow when the shower is on with head attached.
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Post by Rob on Aug 11, 2016 12:56:02 GMT
We aren't in a hard water area. But maybe it's slightly blocked. Will try with pins like suggested. I'm off for a few days now.
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Post by Hofmeister on Aug 11, 2016 14:45:11 GMT
It is a flow issue, and as its only on the shower, the issue is in the hot water side shower part somewhere. Could be the head, they are dirt cheap I'd change it anyway. However, there is a good chance, that if you have a thermostatic shower mixer, the problem in the stat part of the tap system. If you can isolate it, take it all apart and soak it in descaler.
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Post by Rob on Aug 11, 2016 15:15:39 GMT
It is indeed a thermostatic mixer - you correctly guess, but then it's off a combi.
I'll have to look up how to take it apart. I'll no doubt find it online as it's a Grohe one.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2016 17:43:33 GMT
If you have a flexible metal shower hose the internal plastic pipe may have partially collapsed or become twisted restricting the flow. Shower pipes come in various bore sizes although they look the same from the outside, the bigger the internal diameter the better.
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Post by Rob on Sept 5, 2016 17:55:31 GMT
Thanks ON. Just been busy and living with it so far. I could just get a plumber in but I'd like to narrow it down.
All other hot taps or mixer taps do trigger the water heating but not the shower mixer. But once the boiler has started to heat water then turning on the shower tap keeps it going. That then makes me wonder if it's the shower head, mixer tap filter or the shower hose. I've checked the hose for blockages.
The thing is I think the water pressure from the shower was lower for a few weeks but I might have been imagining it.
According to the installation page for the boiler hot water flow was measured at 12 litres per minute and I'm sure it is that from a single hot water tap on full flow. Not measured it for more than 20 seconds.
So it still might be the shower head, hose or mixer tap itself. Or maybe the diaphragm in the boiler not moving enough when the shower is used.
I was off work last week so perhaps I'll find more time to investigate this now I'm back in work!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2016 18:31:27 GMT
The boiler flow sensor can't differentiate between the source of the demand, it only senses flow, you have a restriction somewhere in the shower system. Another thing you can try is moving the thermostat from full cold to full hot a few times, it might have got lazy or sticky.
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Post by Rob on Sept 5, 2016 18:36:18 GMT
Thanks again. Something to try tomorrow. But I know I need to measure water flow too. I'm not sure it's stuck because you can change the temperature and it does keep going once it's on.
I know I could just go and buy a new shower hose and head and it won't cost much... but pointless if it's something else. I suppose removing the filter from the Grohe mixer/thermostat tap is not beyond me but if I did mess up we're without water until I can get the plumber in.
I realise it's not sensing water requirement and that's independent of which tap is in use. But what if the shower was getting a lower water pressure because the filter in the combo-boiler is blocked. Or what if the sensor is not as sensitive as it once was and the shower just has a slightly lower pressure.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2016 18:48:11 GMT
If you are getting hot water OK at other taps the fault must be somewhere in the shower. You mentioning filters made me remember that my shower came with service valves which have filters. I have not touched them in ten years but I have crystal clear Scottish water. :-)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2016 18:49:45 GMT
The fact that it works just fine with the shower head off is surely a pretty damned big clue??
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