Avant
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Post by Avant on Jan 6, 2020 23:45:01 GMT
"I really want to express my gratitude to all those who have overwhelmed Rosy and I with their support in the last few days."
If she'd said 'Rosy and me' she would deserve greater sympathy.
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Post by EspadaIII on Jan 7, 2020 12:17:45 GMT
Now, now - don't get all HJ moderator on us....
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Post by EspadaIII on Jan 7, 2020 12:31:05 GMT
The case of the girl allegedly raped in Cyprus really worries me.
I have no doubt she was raped. I know what Israeli youths of that type are like. In Hebrew they are call "arse-im" and it means they are a bunch of arseholes. Just like chavs in the UK. If you recall the celebrations when they returned to Tel Aviv airport they were totally inappropriate given that even if the girl had consented to mass sexual encounters (highly unlikely), it is rather sordid and not something I would be publicising.
My view is that the girl agreed to 'go to bed' with one of the men, then she was duped and he effectively invited his friends over for a 'gang bang' without her consent. I have no idea why the Cyprus police rolled over; yes many Israelis go there for holidays, but surely no more than Brits so I have no idea why they would favour one nationality over the other.
The moral here is that if you choose to have sex with someone, make sure you know them and trust them.
My elder son went to the sexual health clinic a few weeks ago. A girl he slept with in the summer had some sexually transmitted disease and claimed it came from him. He was dubious and he had a clean bill of health, but he's had a wake up call about condoms and false allegations....
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Post by Humph on Jan 7, 2020 12:31:08 GMT
Tee hee ! ( re moderation )
But in fairness, there are those of us old enough to cringe when me and I are incorrectly transposed, much the same with sat and sitting.
I think it's the memory of the physical pain that resulted from such errors in childhood.
Google "tawse" for a run down on how that worked in Scotland.
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Post by commerdriver on Jan 7, 2020 13:38:20 GMT
"I think it's the memory of the physical pain that resulted from such errors in childhood.
Google "tawse" for a run down on how that worked in Scotland."
I wonder what the little town of Lochgelly produces nowadays:-)
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Post by WDB on Jan 8, 2020 7:08:19 GMT
I have thoughts similar to Esp’s on the Cyprus case. I hope there’s more to come on that, because we clearly haven’t heard the whole truth.
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Post by bromptonaut on Jan 8, 2020 9:12:47 GMT
I have thoughts similar to Esp’s on the Cyprus case. I hope there’s more to come on that, because we clearly haven’t heard the whole truth. Espada's take on the likely nature of the Israeli lads throws a light that's been missing from media coverage. In essence they're like UK chavs. Shades of the Ched Evans case and the 'I've got a bird' message after the woman involved was picked up in a pizza parlour while worse for drink. The other thing that alarming is the police conduct. It's like stories in UK 40 years ago where women alleging rape were 'tested' with accusations that it didn't happen etc and with statements in language no ordinary person (in this case a University calbre first language English speaker) would never use. And nothing like PACE protections with recorded interviews etc we've had since the eighties - seemed belated at the time. If this gets to Strasbourg the ECHR judges will eviscerate the Cypriot police/justice system
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Post by EspadaIII on Jan 8, 2020 14:47:35 GMT
What I find interesting (and maybe I'm sensitive to this and it's in relation to the anti-Semitism stuff in the election) is that the alleged actions of the Israeli men is missing from all reports. Almost as if the press is avoiding mentioning it to avoid allegations of anti-Semitism, when in fact it would be nothing of the sort. If what I think happened did happen, then the Israelis should be fully prosecuted. I admit to feelings of relief when they were allowed home, but with the further information about the police treatment of the woman and the celebrations back in Tel Aviv airport, I changed my mind.
Instead the press seem to want to concentrate on bashing the Cypriot police instead of looking at what really happened. Rather odd I think.
Clearly both are important, but I would want this type of behaviour stopped and a message passed back to similar lads that they cannot assume that any young woman is 'up for it'. Also without 'victim blaming' the girl has been taught a lesson about casual sex and hopefully the message will get through to others that this is a dangerous game not worth playing.
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Post by bromptonaut on Jan 8, 2020 18:38:50 GMT
Instead the press seem to want to concentrate on bashing the Cypriot police instead of looking at what really happened. Rather odd I think. Clearly both are important, but I would want this type of behaviour stopped and a message passed back to similar lads that they cannot assume that any young woman is 'up for it'. Also without 'victim blaming' the girl has been taught a lesson about casual sex and hopefully the message will get through to others that this is a dangerous game not worth playing. I think that conduct of the Israeli lads and the actions of the Cypriot police and justice system are two completely separate issues. The laddish behaviour, even if it was just barging in while the lass and their mate were 'on the job' is below contempt. Obviously rape, or any 'wandering hands' form of sexual assault, makes it much much worse and criminal sanction should follow. The actions of the police remind me somewhat of how stuff here was a generation or two ago. Women, who are just as entitled as men to indulge in one off recreational sex, were (and to be honest often still are) judged by a different standard and not just not believed but actively challenged that they've made it up or asked for it. Wasn't there a fly on the wall documentary thing in seventies where male officers from a force I think was Thames Valley showed themselves up in utterly unsympathetic questioning of a woman alleging rape? I think that incident was a driver for the Police and Criminal Evidence Act and wider reform of process for handling sexual assault cases wit proper examination suites, more use of female officers and, eventually, a right to be believed, or at least taken seriously. I'm sorry but I don't think the sentiments in your final paragraph can be expressed without victim blaming. If she wanted a shag with one of those boys whom she fancied (maybe she was curious about 'roundheads'!!!) then she's every right to do so. Just make sure the bedroom door is impassable and that windows don't give voyeurs an opportunity.
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