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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2018 17:14:19 GMT
Avoiding all the usual Brexit conversations;
In answering Humph's point it suddenly became rather obvious to me that I've grown to rely on free EU movement and in fact it featured rather heavily in my retirement plans - specifically Cadiz.
Anybody got a view on how likely Free Movement is to remain? Or do we think we'll go back to full borders and visa requirements and everything?
I have a horrible feeling I'm going to have to look into other EU passports. i.e. I think Chilean citizenship will allow me to live in Spain, and perhaps obtain a Spanish passport. At least my Chilean passport is blue.
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Post by Rob on Apr 3, 2018 17:24:30 GMT
I fear the same as you Otto. We still would like to find the place in Greece. Not looked much of late - caring duties is curtailing travels. Got more saved but then it's not worth as much in Euros as it would have been 2 years ago.
For Spain, could they have a special arrangement - if all expats left and new ones could not arrive to live year round, house prices will dive.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2018 17:30:20 GMT
Here, and therefore I assume Spain, there are various visas including rentista and inversión/dueno. So owning a house in Spain ought to get you a visa, depending on your ability to support yourself.
I know quite a lot about the Spanish housing market. If you look at the catastrophic effect on the Spanish economy when the UK economy went south, then you make a very valid point.
Around Cadiz most of the investment is Spanish, typically from Madrid.
Here a tourist visa lasts 3 months. But it resets every time you leave the country. There are people who have lived here for years and simply caught a bus to Mendoza for the day once every three months. An arse, but doable.
Of course here that means no phone contract, no broadband, no television, no health case, no insurance, no bank accounts etc. etc. Lots of people seem to do it though.
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Post by Rob on Apr 3, 2018 18:07:39 GMT
Yes we've been told there's similar in Greece. At the moment either proof of income or just buy a house worth €250K or more.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2018 7:58:06 GMT
Well this is it. Been saying it since the bloody referendum. It may well bugger up lots of retirement plans, including mine. Freedom of movement is always presented to the bovine British masses as a bad thing which only entitles rapists and murderers to "come over here". It is seldom pointed out that it works the other way too and we benefit from it enormously ourselves, and turns out a financial positive overall to the UK economy.
The answer to the original question in this thread of course is "nobody knows". Yet. But I'm not confident. Which is why I'm going to apply for a Maltese passport through rights I have due to one grandparent from there.
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Post by Humph on Apr 4, 2018 8:56:17 GMT
My Italian national, but UK resident colleague and I have discussed the possibility of a civil partnership to give us both an enhanced chance of ongoing rights of residency in each other's countries. But it's complicated. I'm married already and, well, I just don't fancy him... ;-)
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Post by tyrednexited on Apr 4, 2018 9:14:51 GMT
My Italian national, but UK resident colleague and I have discussed the possibility of a civil partnership to give us both an enhanced chance of ongoing rights of residency in each other's countries. But it's complicated. I'm married already and, well, I just don't fancy him... ;-) ...Ah, but after Brexit, Civil Partnerships and Same-sex Marriages will be outlawed anyway. I can just hear the rumblings from the Bill Cashes and Jacob Rees-Moggs of the world " we didn't have any of that sort of thing before we joined the EU".......... |
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Post by WDB on Apr 4, 2018 11:07:06 GMT
Ukip (remember them?) had reintroducing smoking in pubs as part of their manifesto. My clothes are still recovering from one night in a busy Belgrade restaurant, but there seem to be some ‘over here’ who’ve not moved on from the middle third of the 20th century. (Not Mogg, of course; he’s never left the 19th.)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2018 11:31:47 GMT
Does anybody here smoke? I used to, a lot. And even these days, and I guess it's 14 or 15 years, the smell of smoke does not bother me at all.
I think the number of people who are genuinely bothered by cigarette smoke is massively outweighed by the number of pretenders who love a good and preferably emotionally dramatic bandwagon.
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Post by Humph on Apr 4, 2018 11:47:59 GMT
Even when I smoked, I wasn't keen on it in confined spaces. Fresh tobacco smoke doesn't bother me if I catch a whiff of it in the passing, but the smell of stale smoke is rank.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2018 12:27:49 GMT
The only thing that ever really bothered me about smoking was when smoke was blown in my face, usually by someone who couldn't separate talking and smoking.
That really pisses me off.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2018 12:56:13 GMT
Tried a few contraband Menthol Lights as a bored student when doing my porridge in the USSR. Never enjoyed it, never got hooked. Worked in smoke filled pubs as a student for years, just put up with it. Most of my family, other than my parents, smoked when I was a kiddie, I just took it as normal. But I developed asthma as a child and wonder if that had anything to do with it. It only ever bothered me hugely when I first used to visit my in-laws-to-be in Belgrade - that was different gravy. All used to chain smoke in their tiny flats, and the fags in question were terrifying commie things. I did used to have to go outside, it was unbearable even to a trained professional such as myself. Most of them have given up now thankfully, but as WDB noted it's still common in restaurants over here.
Never really moaned about it, never been evangelical or "emotionally dramatic" about it, none of my business when it was legally done in public places. But now it is banned I do not stand for it if someone lights up in a pub, or train or something. It does happen. Hopefully I manage to address it without recourse to emotional drama.
It's not an EU thing either, Austria is still fiercely defiant and allows smoking just about everywhere. So UKIP using it to EU-bash is, as usual, bollocks.
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Post by WDB on Apr 4, 2018 13:05:03 GMT
Yes, the last two places in which I was involuntarily kippered were Bucharest and Athens, both in the EU, of course. I think Greece has a notional prohibition that just isn't enforced; Romania apparently used to have one but it was so unpopular that it had been reversed by the time I got there in 2012.
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Post by Humph on Apr 4, 2018 13:38:59 GMT
I used to like Greek cigarettes and Retsina. But it's been a while...🤔
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2018 13:41:13 GMT
Did you get to the opera in Belgrade btw, WDB?
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