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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2021 9:25:33 GMT
300 mile range, 800v charging. Game over. Commonplace in the next 10 years, problem solved.
I'm already wondering if the motorhome I buy in 2030 will be a BEV.
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Post by dixinormus on Apr 14, 2021 9:35:53 GMT
I’m neither a traveller nor a tourist these days WdB. I only seem to leave town once every 3-4 weeks, but on the occasion that I do go somewhere it’s usually a 250-mile same-day round trip. So Al’s 300-mile range future EV might suffice. (Need some extra margin for all the hills here).
Then again, at this rate I will just keep the ICE A1 for another 5 years, or sell it and not buy anything to replace it!
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Post by EspadaIII on Apr 14, 2021 10:05:07 GMT
A lot of this will depend on predictable traffic patterns.
Airliners only take enough fuel as legally required for the journey. So unless they are flying somewhere pretty much at the extreme of their range ability, they never take off with full tanks. Manchester to Heathrow is probably a flight with maximum 10% full tanks.
Similarly with BEVs. If the journey is 225 miles and the car has a range of 300 miles, then unless something dramatic happens it should be a no brainer. What we have to get our heads around is that we will be filling up either at home or halfway through the journey and that popping into the petrol station as we approach the motorway at the beginning of a journey will cease to happen.
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Post by WDB on Apr 14, 2021 10:22:33 GMT
It might well happen, especially at the beginning of a long homeward journey if there was no charger at the destination.
I don’t get the airliner analogy. That’s a balance between safety (range to alternative airport plus 90 minutes) and weight. I once kidded a colleague showing off his ultralight laptop that it would get heavier as the hard disk filled up, but I don’t think a charged battery weighs more than an empty one. The balancing demand with a BEV is time: wait for a full charge or settle for just enough to get there.
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Post by EspadaIII on Apr 14, 2021 11:58:57 GMT
I think that is what I was trying to say but not as well as you. It is the level of confidence that a journey can be completed without getting 'range anxiety'. It also depends on there being an adequate supply of juice at the destination for the amount of charge required and the time available to re-charge.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2021 12:55:24 GMT
Range anxiety is rapidly becoming a thing of the past, as the quantity of chargers expands pretty much exponentially. The increase in them since I first had my first Leaf is phenomenal. Look at something like Zap Map, you're never more than a a few strides from a public charger of some kind these days. They even seem to have expanded the national electricity grid to Manchester these days. Who knew. And you can see them all on your inbuilt satnav, or your phone satnav/ZapMap type app.
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Post by bpg on Apr 14, 2021 14:54:53 GMT
The final hurdle for that is not having to carry your own filler pipe (cable). If they could sort out security at charge points (to stop the dregs of society helping themselves to expensive cables) allowing each charge station to be a complete unit then there is no excuse not to go electric.
Anything up to 22kW where I am is hit and miss whether you need your own charge cable or if one is provided. Ridiculous in 2021.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2021 15:28:21 GMT
Is there a problem of tethered cables being nicked from charge points? Wouldn't that be a kind of self regulating crime in that the culpirt probably wouldn't survive the crime?
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Post by bpg on Apr 14, 2021 15:45:05 GMT
Cabling for lighting on motorways goes missing. That's not 240v 13A.
Probably 3 phase similar to 32A 400v required for 22kW.
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Post by dixinormus on Apr 16, 2021 22:56:50 GMT
You don’t often find petrol stations closed, vandalised, or too busy to take more cars do you?! How many public charging points are unavailable, fully-occupied or broken at any given time?
I need not have range anxiety. But charging anxiety is all together different!
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Post by bpg on Apr 16, 2021 23:57:24 GMT
Water and straw was always available to horses when gasoline horseless carriages were introduced.
Petrol did not fall out of taps.
My point is, some catching up is required to make 'fuel' stops for electric as mainstream like petrol or diesel is today. It will happen, just need to make it difficult for the less desirable members of society like a smoker is next to a petrol pump.
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Post by dixinormus on Apr 17, 2021 0:44:44 GMT
Yes, I agree that the charging infrastructure will catch up in due course, but until then I can wait. Even so, sparsely populated countries like NZ will probably lag way behind European countries for several years.
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Post by dixinormus on Apr 17, 2021 1:55:17 GMT
We don’t even test for emissions at MOT time in NZ. Don’t think the country is really engaged in moving to EVs yet...
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Post by WDB on May 7, 2021 13:42:44 GMT
I got an efficiency score of 4.3 miles per kWh (14.45km / 100km for BPG) for last night’s 55-mile return trip to Hampshire. This with cabin cooling on the daylight way out, and preconditioning, heating and lights on the way home — which was chilly enough to trigger a 3°C frost warning ping.
So I did a bit of looking up. 1kWh is about 3.46MJ, and there are 34.2MJ in a litre of petrol and 38.6 in a litre of diesel fuel. Convert these to kWh equivalents and 45mpg in a diesel car equates to about 0.9 miles per kWh; 35mpg in a petrol car more like 0.8. My 35mpg diesel takes that down to 0.7. So the CLS requires six times as much energy per unit distance as the i3.
This is the bit we don’t hear about fossil cars: the problem is not just that they burn fossil fuels, but that they burn them so wastefully. (And yes, while there are undoubtedly conversion losses in the electricity generation chain, they will come nowhere near accounting for this much difference.)
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Post by bpg on May 7, 2021 15:24:13 GMT
I took the EV when I went out at lunchtime. A local run of about 20kms. Since the air temp has (finally) started to rise the efficiency of the EV has too.As I've said before in Febrrrruary when it was sub-zero cold the car was averaging 21.7kW/100kms, today 12.2kW/100kms.
I've found running in Eco mode (max speed 120kms) switching off regeneration so the car effectively free wheels and using the paddles to apply regeneration when I want to slow is the most economical way of driving. Either letting the car do this automatically or doing it myself with the paddles, the brake pedal is only used for the last few metres of braking when coming to a halt. I reckon the brake pads will require changing as a safety measure due to ageing rather than wear.
Edit: Just been back and looked at my spreadsheet. Best economy 5 miles/kWh today, worst 2.29miles/kWh in February.
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