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Post by Humph on Aug 3, 2017 18:11:38 GMT
A brief encounter in terms of human development anyway?
My great-grandfather, born somewhere around 1860, would have got around on a horse, or horse and cart. My grandfather, born in the 1880s, had cars and motor bikes from a young age, certainly before the First World War, as did my father, born in the early 1900s and who bought one as soon as possible. I've had cars from the age of 17 and my son, who is now that age, has his first car.
Only musing of course, but I wonder if he'll have cars all his adult life, or whether their time will have passed before then? Perhaps automated pods will just arrive to pick you up and take you where you want, sort of robo-taxis maybe? Ordered by simply thinking you want one and that thought transferring itself via the microchip implanted in your brain to some central transport hub and sending a pod to fetch you? The cost automatically charging to your virtual bank account. Paper or metal money wouldn't be required or accepted, or perhaps it wouldn't even exist anymore?
I wonder if personal cars will be remembered as a strange blip in human development, lumps of expensive kit which lay unused cluttering up space most of the time, there only to provide transport for relatively short periods each day?
Or will they be preserved, as curiousities, quaint leisure vehicles, limited to licensed tracks?
Something like the above will happen I suppose.
Pity really, however much sense it might make. I'm glad I've been one of the generations who got the chance to enjoy them.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 21:17:36 GMT
Ever seen Wall:E - the film. It you have seen 2001: A Space Odyssey it has some similarities. However the thrust of Wall:E is that the human race is on a number of starships looking for a new home. They get so used to not using their limbs they become very fat. Their mode of travel is not unlike a topless Google self-driving car.....
I suspect the golden age of motoring is behind us, despite the advances in technology. It doesn't matter how fast a car is or how economical it is, if you cannot get anywhere in it due to traffic and overly strict law enforcement.
What would you rather drive? a huge Ferrari with 800bhp in 2017 or a much nimbler 308GTS in 1978?
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Post by Humph on Aug 3, 2017 21:42:36 GMT
In 1978 I enjoyed driving anything that would start.
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Post by tyrednexited on Aug 3, 2017 21:52:52 GMT
...In 1978, mine often wouldn't start. (EIII's post about Snowdonia brought that back to mind - I might post on why tomorrow).
Did you really mean Wall-E EIII?
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Post by Humph on Aug 3, 2017 22:05:55 GMT
I had an MG Midget in 1978. And a Retriever called Will. He liked the car but his head was always above the top of the window so his ears used to flap. If I had a human passenger, he was relegated to the "space" behind the seats. He objected to that, especially if the roof was up. Wouldn't be allowed now I suppose.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 22:55:39 GMT
Ever seen Wall:E - the film. It you have seen 2001: A Space Odyssey it has some similarities. However the thrust of Wall:E is that the human race is on a number of starships looking for a new home. They get so used to not using their limbs they become very fat. Their mode of travel is not unlike a topless Google self-driving car..... I suspect the golden age of motoring is behind us, despite the advances in technology. It doesn't matter how fast a car is or how economical it is, if you cannot get anywhere in it due to traffic and overly strict law enforcement. What would you rather drive? a huge Ferrari with 800bhp in 2017 or a much nimbler 308GTS in 1978? I'd rather drive a modern Ferrari. The 308s were noisy, uncomfortable, unreliable, with Blue Peter interiors and weren't exactly nimble - much too twitchy.
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Post by tyrednexited on Aug 4, 2017 8:53:21 GMT
As I alluded to yesterday...... Around 1978 (I think in retrospect it was 1979) I had a Vauxhall Shovit in a natty two-tone shade of gold and rust. I did quite a few miles in that car, spending many weekends (and weeks) away in it, pursuing outdoor exercise in, amongst others, The Lakes, Scotland, and Snowdonia (and it was EIII's comments about Snowdonia and rain that stirred the memories). For a good amount of time, the starter motor was reluctant to engage, but this could generally be overcome by putting it into gear and rocking it rather robustly back and forth (only the odd occasion required a visit underneath, and use of a spanner and/or a blow from a Sunderland screwdriver to fix the problem). I was putting off replacing said starter motor, since the Haynes manual stated that the engine mount had to come off to achieve the task - something I frankly didn't quite believe, but wasn't in a hurry to find out. Anyway, one weekend, the climbing club had a hut booked in the bleak wastes off the A4086 between Capel Curig and Pen Y Gwryd, and the weather forecast wasn't good! In all my travels over the years for outdoor pursuits, that is the only trip that I completely failed to pursue any outdoor whatsoever (if you exclude running to and from the car). The hut was basic to say the least, but in torrential horizontal rain that continued from Friday into Sunday it was (other than exploring the liquid delights of Cobdens and The Tyn Y Coed), by far the best place to be. In fact, only one of our party of around 12 ventured out at all. One who we shall name Steve (mainly because his name was Steve) announced on Saturday morning that he was b*ggered if, having driven all the way to Wales, he wasn't going to get some walking in. Accordingly, he dressed top-to-toe in Gore-Tex, packed his rucksack, and set off out through the door. Less than five minutes later, the door crashed open, and back in he came. The weather had bypassed the best outdoor gear then available, he was totally soaked through to the skin, and his rucksack was like a filled bucket! Only the pub(s) remained on the agenda after that. (Steve bore a more than passing resemblance to Rowan Atkinson at the time. It wasn't unknown for him to be "recognised", and I've certainly seen him sign (forged) autographs). Come Sunday, we all decided to leave fairly early, and my best friend Dave and I were the last to leave. This was largely due to the fact that though my car started first time he'd parked his car facing into the wind (and rain) and it steadfastly refused to fire up and I stayed behind to help. We resorted to driving to Capel to see if we could source some "Quick/Easy Start" with no success, so returned, pushed his car round through 180 degrees, and proceeded to strip and dry all the ignition with whatever cloths we could find. 10 minutes of work in the still torrential rain finally got the thing to start (thank god we don't have mechanical distributors any more), and Dave climbed into his car, stated he'd better get away before it stopped again, and bumped off down the track. I returned to my car, stripped off my waterproofs, and climbed into the driving seat, somewhat moist. I turned the key, only for the starter motor to jam! The car was, by then, parked in a puddle inches deep, and my GF of the time was far from impressed when, having till then been sheltered inside the car, she had to get out and help me push it to a (slightly) dryer spot. Then, underneath with a spanner to free up the starter, emerging absolutely covered in mud. The car was left running (well you would, wouldn't you), whilst I recovered some clothes from my rucksack, chose the most (but not very) sheltered side of the hut, and stripped to the pink and crinklies to put cleaner togs on (the first people to leave had taken the key after we'd locked the hut up). I remember that hut with great affection (not!) and it has rather coloured my thoughts of Snowdonia ever since. Shortly after, the starter motor was replaced (and yes, it did need the engine mount removing - a strategic pile of bricks substituted for a hoist), and not long after that, the GF, became the ex-GF . As a postscript, EIII's mention prompted me to check whether the hut was still there. It was, and the research helped me to solve an almost-40-year mystery! Some 'huts' we used were quite swish, others were (very) basic, but they all had (albeit sometimes basic) toilet facilities. This particular hut was in the middle of a field, in the middle of nowhere, and there was no sign of any toilet facilities at all. Over the external door, on the internal face of the lintel, someone had roughly painted the word "Toilets" (complete with the quotation marks). Well, of course, through that door was...........the outside........no toilets at all! We all took it a some sort of joke in bad taste, hence, it was brave the weather to the leeward side of the field wall, or wait for the pub! Having now found the hut information on-line on the website of the owning club, the mystery is solved. They've obviously only recently added a small extension with a toilet and shower, but the info (which it would appear that we didn't have at the time) also recommends the use of toilets in a barn, somewhere between a quarter and half a mile away - which were obviously there to support camping in the field adjacent to them. It was well outside camping season, so no wonder we didn't find them!. Anyhow, I obviously survived the experience, and wasn't scarred for life by it, so.......as you were.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2017 9:30:27 GMT
I think Humph's vision of the future is probably right. Couple of decades away, though. We were chatting about it recently in the car, me and my chilblains. There are a lot of high rise flats going up in Reading, and the children wondered where everyone would park their cars. We came up with a scheme whereby self driving electric cars could be parked and charged overnight in town centre multi-stories, and called up by internet app by flat-dwellers to drive themselves to the flats, and pick people up to go to work. Freeing up parking spaces for folks coming from the suburbs/villages to work in town, these being people who live in houses with room to store/charge their own electric vehicles.
I hope I'll be retired (i.e. hope I'll live that long and be able to retire) by the time this sort of thing comes to pass. If I do, I expect I'll live in a small house on the edges of a large town with an electric car. By then, I imagine the car will have at least a 300 mile range and a sub-30 minute charge time. Would like to have a SAAB 9-5 Aero in the garage for those licensed track days of course...............
Doesn't sound like a disaster to me. Will be the new normal for future generations, those people will probably think our generation to be quaint (weird) and not a little misguided I expect, just as we think of preceding generations.
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Post by Humph on Aug 4, 2017 13:09:02 GMT
I suppose what briefly occupying me was that of the 30 million years or so of Homo Sapiens roaming the planet, it may well turn out that the microscopic fraction of that time we've had with personal cars may be coming to an end, as we understand it anyway.
At least our descendants will know more about us than we do of our forebears as so much of our activity has been recorded. Far less chance of the purpose of spaghetti junction being misunderstood than our attempts to understand Stonehenge for example.
Some sobering speculative thoughts though, imagine them looking back at the way we lived, and pondering on how we just shrugged off as inevitable, the thousands of deaths and injuries each year we inflicted on one another with our vehicles.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2017 13:37:02 GMT
I expect they'll have their own ways of casually slaughtering each other which will be accepted as a cost worth paying for a greater good.
There's not much new under the sun.
Not sure that personal transport is an exclusive feature of our times though, the ICE simply replaced the horse, the rest of the car replaced the cart. Next gen personal transport will just be self driving, I suppose.
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Post by Humph on Aug 4, 2017 13:47:33 GMT
Yeah, but I think the major difference will be that it may no longer be personal. As in generally speaking, you had your own horse or your own car, in future I think that won't be the case.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2017 14:04:55 GMT
Wouldn't be so sure. I don't think car manufacturers will merge in to one autonomous blob, churning out one kind of self propelled pod, any of which could be called upon by any person. I don't think our capitalists societies are quite ready for that sort of egalitarianist utopia either. Cars will still be purchased and owned individually, and come in various shapes, sizes, models etc, for different person's/family's needs, but may be stored and powered differently, and self-driven. Tesla for example will shortly have three different models for different needs and budgets, but will all come with self-drive tech ready to go. I think these are the first signs of how the market will adjust. Perhaps there will be a bigger communal self-drive car sector, but I don't think the personal car model will disappear entirely. Urban people may be more communal-based, less urban and rural needs will remain different though.
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Post by commerdriver on Aug 4, 2017 14:08:02 GMT
Yeah, but I think the major difference will be that it may no longer be personal. As in generally speaking, you had your own horse or your own car, in future I think that won't be the case. While that is likely to come for many people who live in towns and cities I think it is less likely for those who live in villages or remote areas where specific uses are not likely to be any better covered by public transport or shared / self drive vehicles than at present. Similarly, unless it becomes culturally wrong (i.e. like drink driving or wearing fur coats) to have your own transport there will always be the desire to have personal flexibility, especially for the better off who can afford it or can afford the space to keep it. As a general direction I agree with the "brief encounter' possibility but I see it as a return to 1920's level of personal vehicle ownership.
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Post by Humph on Aug 4, 2017 14:15:17 GMT
Hover boots. That's the future. How cool would they be? 😎
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2017 14:15:45 GMT
Yellow ones?
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