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Post by tyrednexited on Nov 4, 2016 11:11:28 GMT
...so, the tragedy descends even further into farce (and the people who voted to retain the status quo are being "fingered" for it......WTF?) The Government initiated a referendum for reasons entirely divorced from anything to do with EU membership (and everything to do with Conservative Party internecine warfare), got a result it didn't expect, didn't (and still doesn't) have a plan for, and hasn't a clue how to address this or even progress the knee-jerk actions it is taking in a legal and constitutional manner. I can't see that anyone who voted remain (or indeed anyone who is currently trying to keep the Government "honest") can be blamed for that. Meanwhile, the majority of the Fourth Estate, who should be taking to task probably the most divisive Government, and certainly the most inept, that I've seen in my voting lifetime, are instead fomenting further division and strife. There are great dangers in the Jean-Luc Picard style of legislature ("make it so") that seeks to sidestep the rule of law for mere political expediency. The rest of the world must be regarding us in the same light as a Banana Republic.
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Post by Alanović on Nov 4, 2016 12:19:27 GMT
commerdriver, what name calling? I can't see any.
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Post by Alanović on Nov 4, 2016 12:24:20 GMT
>> We should have just stuck with what we had, we're not going to be anywhere significantly different after 'brexit' So if you think that is the case, why did the Remainers feel compelled to take it to the Courts? It wasn't 'remainers'. One of the court claimants was a 'leaver'.
They did it because they believe the government were about to act unlawfully, and they were right.
And now a 'leave' voting Tory MP has resigned his seat as he doesn't like the way the government is going about 'leaving' (he thinks it's too 'hard'). www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37872899
The government is in a world of brown stuff and all Theresa May can say is she's 'confident' they'll win their appeal to the Supreme Court. Evidently she hasn't read the damning judgement, one which frankly should have been cause for David Davis to resign at the very least.
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Post by commerdriver on Nov 4, 2016 12:56:46 GMT
I think "stuck pigs" were the words used
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Post by Alanović on Nov 4, 2016 13:06:17 GMT
Oh, right. Wasn't aimed at anyone personally. More meant to reflect the general intransigent attitude displayed by the more extreme fundamentalist Brexitist in the face of an obvious need for compromise.
Does hobbit's 'greedy' epithet towards remainers not count as a 'name'?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2016 14:10:32 GMT
The tabloids will print anything. They have [almost] no hidden agendas. There is only one criteria; which story or point of view will earn more sales / traffic?
I tire of the calls for press regulation, simply stop buying the papers and their intrusion will stop. The sad reality is that this is what people want to hear.
Starting with our schools we removed the desire to be better. We removed the aspiration to be better than the next person. And now that has come into society. I was rubbish at football and brilliant at Maths. That worked for me. There were very few, although they did exist, who were good at nothing. But we didn't put any effort into making them better, we focussed on stopping it mattering or showing.
These planks see no need and no reason to strive to be better than they are. There's no shame, no aspiration and no ambition.
There is a huge different between the planks/bigots voting exit and the intelligent/knowledgable out voter. Its just that the planks and the prejudiced colour my perception of the whole campaign. One is despicable and the other is doing what he thinks is right.
There is no point telling a plank/bigot about economic difficulties or advantages. He has no interest. That wasn't why he voted, that's just one of the things he repeats.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2016 14:14:48 GMT
Two things are unattractive; one is name calling and the other is focussing on the writing style of others. Let us rely on people's inate decency, an understanding of this forum's description, and the willingness of Admin to step in when required.
"This is a bar for grown ups. Grown ups can support their own statements and cope with feedback, criticism, challenges and, on occasions, hysterical laughter. Grown ups can stand up for themselves. Grown ups can accept someone else getting a bit annoyed. Grown ups can debate, argue, disagree and contest yet still remain grown ups - Grown ups are, in fact, grown up. This is a place for grown ups. If you’re not a grown up, it isn’t for you."
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Post by Rob on Nov 4, 2016 14:53:56 GMT
Why are those who backed leave so up in arms over a point of law and want to blame it on those wishing to remain part of the EU? I sincerely hope that May cannot use Royal prerogative to change laws in this country. That is not democracy.
The need for debate isn't about not leaving, it about deciding on what we want any deal to look like. So if the consensus is we should retain access to the single market and accept movement of people, then that's what we should aim for. It is not for a small number of people in government to decide.
Let us not forget the referendum was for leave/stay-in the EU. It didn't say anything about the single market, movement of people, etc.
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Post by Alanović on Nov 4, 2016 15:02:06 GMT
Trouble is Rob, your view is far too fair and sensible. The leave side now fear BEANO. Brexit Existing As Name Only. Very soon, when it becomes clear Brexit (if it happens) will mean continued immigration, Brexit will magically no longer mean Brexit.......
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Post by sooty on Nov 4, 2016 15:46:39 GMT
Why are those who backed leave so up in arms over a point of law and want to blame it on those wishing to remain part of the EU? I would imagine because it puts a block on their ambitions. For a bit of looking at both sides, i wonder how many of those who support this judgement, commentating in the media, because it supports their view of restricting or stopping leave rather than the point of law? It would be the same I've no doubt if the result had gone the other way. There'd be a few court case against the result and or process.
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Post by harleyman on Nov 5, 2016 10:28:06 GMT
Trouble is Rob, your view is far too fair and sensible. The leave side now fear BEANO. Brexit Existing As Name Only. Very soon, when it becomes clear Brexit (if it happens) will mean continued immigration, Brexit will magically no longer mean Brexit....... It was always going to be a BEANO. For the civils servants and the lawyers.
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Post by tyrednexited on Nov 5, 2016 13:08:39 GMT
Trouble is Rob, your view is far too fair and sensible. The leave side now fear BEANO. Brexit Existing As Name Only. Very soon, when it becomes clear Brexit (if it happens) will mean continued immigration, Brexit will magically no longer mean Brexit....... It was always going to be a BEANO. For the civils servants and the lawyers. Bromp may well be better placed to comment than me, but I would bet that the great majority of Civil Servants involved in this won't be enjoying it one little bit (and few will benefit financially from any increased workload). On the other hand, the legal and consultancy "professions"...........
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2016 15:35:43 GMT
Oi! You and your inverted commas!!
Shocking attitude. Well respected professional, me.
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Post by tyrednexited on Nov 5, 2016 15:55:03 GMT
Oi! You and your inverted commas!! Shocking attitude. Well respected professional, me. ...so you're the one.......
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Post by Humph on Nov 5, 2016 17:22:25 GMT
Consultants provide one major service, which is to tell you what you knew you had to do already, but were afraid to admit to yourself or your employees.
They then advise you to get rid of the most expensive people ( even though they are the most expensive because they're the best and most experienced ), promote some of the less expensive people ( who will be happy with a couple of grand pay rise and a fancy title ), they'll eventually lash things up because they're not really very good, but will show a short term saving, then contract out more or less everything ( which will be less efficient but will also show a saving in the short term )
Make sure you sell the company, or at least your shares in it, pretty quickly after the savings appear and the profit forecast looks good because within a year or so it'll be on its knees without the benefit of all the experience you've fired.
Oh and make sure the consultants fees appear as a cost in the last year to show another vast improvement in the short term.
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