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Post by bpg on Mar 27, 2024 18:45:07 GMT
...and the smaller five-spoke wheels that this one has. They say impersonation is the sincerest form of flattery, those wheels are pretty similar to what are on my 13 year old Volvo.  There really isn't anything new under the sun. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2024 8:50:30 GMT
There are two of these outside our synagogue every morning; I think the drivers are inside praying for a more attractive front end. I just see bulk, where bulk does not need to be... You can buy longer charging cables so the neighbours won't suffer. Maybe they will club together to buy one for you. My thoughts exactly. So much for efficiency. |
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Post by EspadaIII on Apr 2, 2024 9:27:02 GMT
I saw a really really ugly iX this weekend; even Espadrille commented on it before I said anything. It was a weird burgundy colour with all the trim which is silver in regular iXs now a soft gold. It looked so much more 'in yer face' than a regular iX.
The bizarre thing is that the driver was an ordinary bloke in his early/mid 60s with a wife who looked like she suited him; nothing flashy or tarty or badly dressed; just an appropriately dressed late middle aged couple in the Lakes for the weekend. The car did not suit them one bit.
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Post by WDB on Apr 2, 2024 9:47:31 GMT
How so? The reports I’ve read suggest it easily breaks 3.0mi/kWh, which doesn’t quite match the iX3 but isn’t bad for something with genuine space for five. Certainly better than its Audi and Jaguar competitors, not that ‘could be worse’ is sufficient justification. I do wish they’d taken the less-is-more approach that they used on the Neue Klasse nose. But the looks are growing on me, and I’m learning to filter out the commenters who can’t think of anything else to say. It would make a better three-quarter view from my office window — and is a superior technical piece to the Audi or the Jaguar. Yes, it’s big and tall — but not the biggest or tallest — but I saw one in town on Saturday and it fitted its space well enough. I plan to try one. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2024 10:11:37 GMT
How so? The reports I’ve read suggest it easily breaks 3.0mi/kWh, which doesn’t quite match the iX3 but isn’t bad for something with genuine space for five. Certainly better than its Audi and Jaguar competitors, not that ‘could be worse’ is sufficient justification. I do wish they’d taken the less-is-more approach that they used on the Neue Klasse nose. But the looks are growing on me, and I’m learning to filter out the commenters who can’t think of anything else to say. It would make a better three-quarter view from my office window — and is a superior technical piece to the Audi or the Jaguar. Yes, it’s big and tall — but not the biggest or tallest — but I saw one in town on Saturday and it fitted its space well enough. I plan to try one. I just meant in general. Clogging great SUV shapes aren't my idea of an efficient vehicle whatever the powertrain, and one of the main points of EVs is supposed to be efficiency. So I'm not sold on the idea of SUV EVs in general. There is an iX in my neighbourhood, the guy who has it previously ran a Tesla Model X. He's about 5 foot 6, has a small wife, a small dog and an adult daughter in the household who has her own car. I know it's none of my business but I really can't help wondering why he chose such a colossal vehicle. Probably needs a step ladder to get in it. Of course the same applies to most Range Rover owners round here. |
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Post by WDB on Apr 2, 2024 10:13:14 GMT
And no, I don’t like the red either. Oddly, the Phytonic (!) Blue that looks so drab on the iX3 rather suits it. Black is, well, black — not for me — but there is a nice blue-green that looks fresh, and a technical-looking silver-grey that I’ve not seen many of but might work well.
And there seem to be plenty of white ones, not all with future’s-not-for-me plain-black interiors. If I had one of those, I could redesign my drive so that passers-by would see the i3 with the iX behind it — small, far away. Not sure how I’d get a charging cable to either then, but art seldom comes without sacrifice. 🧑🎨
Absolutely fair point on SUVs, Vić. I like the iPace and EV6 precisely because they don’t imitate the mummywagon model, but don’t think I can make one work this time. Polestar 4 next time, once prices have settled down?
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Post by Rob on Apr 2, 2024 15:13:40 GMT
I saw someone parking up in their iX at Tesco yesterday. They are quite big and very ugly... the car not the driver. The car protruded from the front of the parking bay by quite a bit because they reverse in and left room to open the boot.
I am still surprised how cheap some iPaces are on Auto Trader. And other cars like the original e-tron. Fairly high mileage of course and not main dealers. Compared to 12 months ago, a lot of cars seem a lot cheaper for the model. I did glance at 330e's but there weren't many but not of course the first lease/company cars have been dumped and the prices are quite good.
Still don't think I wanted the complexity of the 330e PHEV having had one. It did good MPG without charging but it would have done better with a smaller battery if that was your usage model. And I'm not sure I wanted a turbo petrol. But you know it's not been damaged by rapid DC charging because the fastest it will charge is via AC and I seem to recall it didn't even do 7kW charging and maxed out at 3.6kW.
Maybe next time.
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Post by bpg on Apr 2, 2024 15:17:22 GMT
I don't understand why 3mi/kWh is seen as some kind of benchmark. I was out running errands earlier today and averaged 5.23mi/kWh, the car is currently reporting 11.08kWh/100kms which is 5.6mi/kWh for the month or 5 cents/mile on our current electric tariff. I like those numbers.
Petrol has shot up in the last two weeks from 1.849€/l for Super+ to 2.039€/l, it peaked at 2.179€/l over the weekend. I think this is the start of the push on fuel prices to get people to switch. I started looking at the Toyota bz4X (I think that's its name) 686km claimed on a charge, I'm guessing that is urban but still getting to where I'd think about chopping the petrol in for an EV.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2024 7:52:13 GMT
It's true BPG, my old and obsolete Leaf averages over 4mpkwh. Hyundai/KIAs seem to be the efficiency kings though. All others seem to pale in comparison, hence people believing that 3 is a benchmark because that's what precious Audis and Mercs do.
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Post by WDB on Apr 3, 2024 8:13:14 GMT
If I’m ‘people’, I wasn’t referring to 3.0 as a benchmark, just as a number that’s better than the 2.2-2.6 that some other big EVs manage. As you know, I’d rather measure consumption (because that’s ultimately we have to address) than economy, and 18Wh/km is what starts to get my attention. Like the others Vić mentions, the i3 can better that with ease; what I want is something with the long-distance comfort of the CLS that doesn’t undo the good work by consuming silly amounts of energy. (Yes, I know, they’re not that hard to find. 😊
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2024 8:29:12 GMT
Not you at all, W. I was responding to BPG's generalisation with a generalisation of my own. Speaking in general terms.
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Post by bpg on Apr 3, 2024 10:46:29 GMT
If they could make an EV that could manage 18Wh/km they'd have no problem shifting them. That would be 34 miles/kWh. Anything over 15.5kWh should be viewed as the equivalent of running a V8 twin turbo petrol if the aim of the game is to reduce energy consumption. I was looking/dreaming last night at the Porsche Taycan turbo S, something daft like 760PS and a range of 330kms which is 205 miles from a 93.4kWh battery is just crazy numbers.
Edit: This is not having a dig at WDB, people want comfort, even a bit of luxury. The issue is all the luxury cars seam to have entered into a power and sub-4 seconds to 100km/h race. The people buying these cars, is that what they really want ? I'm sure many would happily sacrifice the traffic light grand-prix pole position for a 400+ mile range.
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Post by EspadaIII on Apr 3, 2024 11:12:49 GMT
Absolutely. I have no need for more than the 204bhp I have now nor the top speed. I would love a minimum guaranteed motorway range at 70mph at zero Celsius of 250 miles. That would mean a standard summer around town range of close to 350/400 miles.
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Post by WDB on Apr 3, 2024 11:13:58 GMT
If they could make an EV that could manage 18Wh/km they'd have no problem shifting them. They wouldn’t, would they? Sorry — changed my mind about units and forgot to check. 😳 I think the silly-performance EVs are already waning. Rising insurance rates won’t help but I suspect most drivers are happy with the performance of single-motor EVs. Maybe there’ll be a revival in a few years once every other car at the lights is a single-motor EV and a few want to outrun them. Of the models I’ve considered seriously, a few come only as AWDs but the only one in which I’ve found RWD at all lacking (and then only a little) is the Enyaq — and the new 85 motor fixes even that. Smaller cars would be better still, though. Most of us, me included, have more on the drive than we need. |
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Post by bpg on Apr 3, 2024 11:19:20 GMT
It had occurred to me all the EV drivers here have 3 or more cars on the driveway/scattered about.
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