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Post by bpg on Jul 9, 2024 10:37:37 GMT
This was not about you and your holiday, which I hope you're enjoying, more about the journeys my family make. This being the first of three over the next ten weeks which will account for around 70% of my total annual mileage.
The fast charger isn't really much of an advance if you need to take on double the amount of energy for the next stint. 2.6-3 miles/kWh Vs 4.5-5 miles/kWh 150kWh charging only applies to a small percentage of the overall charge time not the full 20%-80%. If there are only 50kWh chargers available then the older tech will be faster, requiring less total load. 100kWh also benefits the older tech giving a 77kWh straight through BMS all it can take whereas 150+kWh capable cars are not charging at the rate they were designed for.
Again, waiting for the infrastructure to catch up.
The people argument I don't understand. I have a 650kms journey on Saturday and another 450-ish kms on Sunday. I will not make 5 stops on Saturday for people. We will stop for lunch, etc around halfway then complete the journey. One stop not five. Having travelled with a group of mates on a motorbike trip each five minute stop for a toll boothe in France turned into herding cats exercise, one off for a fag, someone needing a pee, someone deciding they need to do a service at the side of the road, flippin' nightmare.
People aren't arguing against EV just pointing out what is making them wait before they jump. As a second car for my family, brilliant, love it. As my only car with <200 miles between stops, no thanks, not yet.
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Post by Humph on Jul 9, 2024 10:42:53 GMT
I suppose everyone is inclined to justify, if only to themselves, their own choices, actions and opinions, it’s part of the human condition.
I try quite hard not to overthink it. I’ve maybe got 10 years of properly active life left, so I’m just going to enjoy it as much as possible. I’m certainly not going to waste any time waiting around for technology to catch up with my lifestyle. The next lot can decide what works best for them. I’ll be out of it soon enough.
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Post by EspadaIII on Jul 9, 2024 11:08:50 GMT
I wish the trains here were more reliable and less expensive. I have significantly reduced our reliance on rental cars for my Israel visits because there is now an integrated public transport system with very effective apps to get you round the country efficiently and at the cheapest cost. Also local bus services have improved so whereas even just pre-Covid I had no idea how to get a local bus to the market, now it is easy, quick and cheap. Just over £1.25 per journey and any subsequent journey with 90 minutes is free.
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Post by Humph on Jul 9, 2024 11:17:37 GMT
Yeah, thing is, there are other people on trains and buses. Some of them are alright, but quite a lot of them aren’t really.
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Post by EspadaIII on Jul 9, 2024 11:49:07 GMT
I know, awful isn't it... I mean when I go on a train there could be people like you...  |
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Post by Humph on Jul 9, 2024 12:38:41 GMT
Don’t worry, that’s highly unlikely.
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Post by EspadaIII on Jul 9, 2024 15:42:41 GMT
More room on a train than a plane...
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Post by Rob on Jul 9, 2024 19:51:29 GMT
Spent a few days in Brighton visiting family. Had we gone by train it would have taken longer but would have cost a lot more. We have done it by train before and got caught out by limited services and nearly no seat despite having reservations!
Not done the calculations for fuel used for the return (might get some cheaper later in the week where we're going) but averaged about 41mpg on the way down which isn't too bad for a 2.5l petrol engine (NA). I think I did a bit better coming back. But fuel was 6ppl more down there. Assuming £1.439 per litre overall then that's about 67.32 litres and therefore £96.88 return for the two of us. I also used the car locally.* So way cheaper than the train and it should be cheaper by train surely!
* H/ave used UBER a few times there and a fairly short journey was say £6-7.... tried to check same distance for the evening and the estimate was £26! Robbery.
And I see BYD are looking to build an assembly line in Turkey.
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Post by EspadaIII on Jul 9, 2024 20:24:34 GMT
The stupidity of our railway system is best summed up by the journey from Manchester Piccadilly to Manchester Airport. Several train companies operate this route as it is the last few miles of much longer journeys from different parts of Wales or Northern England.
You cannot simply buy a ticket and get on a train; no, you have to check which company operates the service you want and buy the relevant ticket. If you arrive too early or late and another train is available you can't take it.
This is ridiculous, especially as the majority of train companies are effectively government owned anyway.
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Post by Rob on Jul 9, 2024 21:33:04 GMT
I've got the train from East Disbury to the airport before now. Two train companies I recall are Northern and Arriva Trains Wales (so Deutsche Bahn). The latter is a bit more expensive.... for the same journey. Not by much but there is a price difference.
Labour should look to improve our railways. For two of us going to Brighton it should not be cheaper and quicker to drive. If that was four up then it would be different.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2024 8:06:12 GMT
And I see BYD are looking to build an assembly line in Turkey. I expect it helps Turkey greatly that they are in the EU Customs Union. |
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Post by bpg on Jul 10, 2024 9:02:51 GMT
It depends, doesn't it always ? If they are just assembling knock down kits from China then it probably won't help bypass any EU rules regarding where the parts are sourced.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2024 9:25:35 GMT
Why would a Chinese company bother doing this if it didn't create a significant advantage somehow? My guess would be Customs Union, in light of new EU tariffs. What else could it be?
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Post by bpg on Jul 10, 2024 9:45:29 GMT
I don't disagree, there must be some worthwhile gain. Given the rules between UK and EU built EVs containing significant local content it must be more than just an assembly line.
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Post by WDB on Jul 11, 2024 17:08:31 GMT
The stupidity of our railway system … …was explicitly designed that way by the Major government of 1992-97. The more fragmented, they reasoned, the harder it would be for a successor government to renationalise it and spoil the fun for all those Tory donors. I know that 2016-24 makes the Major years look like a golden age of propriety and selfless public service, but we shouldn’t forget that this is the kind of thing Tories do when put in charge. |
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