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Post by WDB on May 9, 2022 11:00:36 GMT
18650 just refers to the dimensions. A 2032 coin cell is 20mm across by 3.2mm thick, so I’d guess these are 18mm across and 65mm long.
…as I could have read in Elch’s link. 😳
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2022 11:03:36 GMT
The first paragraph of the link I posted...
"The 18650 battery is a lithium-ion cell classified by its 18mm x 65mm size, which is slightly larger than a AA battery. They’re often used in flashlights, laptops, and high-drain devices due to their superior capacity and discharge rates. 18650s come in both flat and button top styles, and usually boast 300-500 charge cycles"
EDIT: damn you're quick.
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Post by WDB on May 9, 2022 11:14:52 GMT
It does mean they’re discrete and cheap, though, so if you do find a bad one you should have no problem replacing the whole row of four.
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Post by Rob on May 9, 2022 13:37:34 GMT
The Tesla Model S and X used 18650 cells. The other cars used different cells so maybe they all change?
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2022 14:24:37 GMT
It does mean they’re discrete and cheap, though, so if you do find a bad one you should have no problem replacing the whole row of four. I know I could Google this, but in case you know; how does one go about testing them? Am I going to have to somehow break the connections between then to test each one individually? And then I presume I am testing volts. What else could it be? But how will I know if it is not fully charged or it is duff?
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Post by Rob on May 9, 2022 17:56:20 GMT
All 14 of these cells will be in series to make up the 52v battery - which is what you say. Like you I'm thinking a cell is not fully charging or discharging properly and therefore impacting the battery overall.
I wonder if someone techie on here can avoid the need for that Google. Imagine how complex the battery management of the Tesla Model S/X is with these sort of cells. And with cars like the Ioniq 5 having 800 volt batteries that's a lot of cells in series and then for capacity a lot of battery packs.
I assume a BEV has electronics to manage redundant cells in each battery pack.
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Post by WDB on May 9, 2022 18:10:29 GMT
Seems unlikely 14 would be enough to deliver 10Ah, when 0.3Ah is a pretty good capacity for a small battery. I’d expect them to be paralleled in groups of, say, 4 x 250mAh, the groups then wired in series to make up to 48V.
I think that’ll be the root of the problem, that one cell’s resistance drops and overheats the other three in its parallel group as it sucks charge out of them.
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Post by bpg on May 9, 2022 19:38:46 GMT
Yes, a BEV has a battery management system. EspIII 73kWh battery is the usable capacity, the actual battery capacity will be around 78kWh. The BMS will shift which cells are used and by only charging to 80% allows more headroom for distribution and life cycles.
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Post by EspadaIII on May 10, 2022 14:24:34 GMT
Should I limit my charge to 80%?
Or only on fast charging?
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2022 14:38:12 GMT
I doubt you need to. That was only advised with the original 24kwh Leaf IIRC. Even my 30kwh doesn't need to be treated that way, to the extent that they removed the ability to restrict it to 80% as an option from the charging menu. Yours being latest battery tech I expect it's an utterly redundant measure now.
I expect the advice to go to 80% on a fast charger is just to gain maximum range in minimum possible time, as the last 10 percents always take much longer then the first 80-90 percents. So it's not always worth waiting for them to be obtained.
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Post by EspadaIII on May 10, 2022 17:10:12 GMT
Thanks
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Post by bpg on May 10, 2022 17:46:51 GMT
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Post by Rob on May 10, 2022 18:44:57 GMT
The battery management system on a BEV will make use of the larger capacity battery to 'move' the used cells around, so tp speak.
The 20-80% thing about rapid charging is all to do with the rapid charging bit.... when you get to the last 20% it has to slow down due to the chemistry in the process etc.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2022 20:59:22 GMT
>>I presume I am testing volts. What else could it be? But how will I know if it is not fully charged or it is duff?
Anybody?
>>48V 10 Ah.
Also how matched are the BMS and the battery? Will any 48V10Ah battery do? Does it have to be a certain [the same] configuration? What happens if it is 48V20Ah?
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Post by bpg on May 10, 2022 21:12:41 GMT
Set your multimeter to DC. It's then test each of the clusters it will then be obvious which is duff. If you get down to individual cells your looking for 3.7v, 3.4v or less needs charge or is goosed.
For rechargeable batteries usual recommendation is to replace like with like.
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