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Post by EspadaIII on Mar 29, 2022 12:35:23 GMT
In the meantime Shell has not reduced the price of fuel not on little bit. Still 164.9 for UL near me. Well below that at the supermarkets.
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Post by WDB on Mar 29, 2022 12:40:52 GMT
More like my ostrich and your š¦¤.
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Post by bpg on Mar 29, 2022 13:15:01 GMT
In the meantime Shell has not reduced the price of fuel not on little bit. Still 164.9 for UL near me. Well below that at the supermarkets. That would be Ā£2.40/litre if buying per energy unit at the new 28p/kWh cap from Friday. Diesel would be Ā£3/litre. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2022 13:41:21 GMT
Surely you don't mean that a car running at 60odd mpg is now valueless because something else can do more for the same energy? Sounds daft to me.
60mpg out of a large, laden, internal combustion engined, Merc seems remarkably good to me.
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Post by bpg on Mar 29, 2022 13:48:47 GMT
People have always had their toys, V8s through V12s.
It makes no sense to scrap what is already on the road but the replacement will be thought about long and hard.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2022 13:51:57 GMT
>>It makes no sense to scrap what is already on the road but the replacement will be thought about long and hard.
Absolutely. And what is already there needs to function as efficiently as is possible.
As for the replacements, I have to say batteries worry me. Whole life calculations are quite a long way from favourable.
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Post by EspadaIII on Mar 29, 2022 13:59:07 GMT
60mpg from any E-class is excellent. But anyone buying a new 'gas guzzler' now is deaf to the problems facing the world, unless they intend to use it for the occasional thrash. F1 and similar ICE motorsport will go in the next three years - surely?
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Post by Humph on Mar 29, 2022 14:03:27 GMT
Yes absolutely, no sense in scrapping perfectly useable vehicles yet. My ādodoā is still totally suitable for my needs as are millions of other ICE vehicles.
No arguing really that new, cleaner options will and should eventually replace them in time of course.
The trouble with ostriches though is that when they donāt want to see somethingā¦
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Post by EspadaIII on Mar 29, 2022 14:49:24 GMT
Humans dislike change, so when it comes, it comes as a big upheaval. Gradual change is not really change. Cars are cleaner and more economical than ever, but they are to all intents and purposes, the same as were sold 70 years ago - just more sophisticated. EVs are upheaval. Different refueling situations (location and time), range issues...
Three years ago, did we ever consider that a woman may not be 'someone who menstruates'...
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Post by bpg on Mar 29, 2022 14:53:45 GMT
That's why I'm struggling with this whole everyone must have an EV view. There are what ? About 23m homes in the UK plus all the office blocks and other buildings now multiply that by all the old buildings across Europe. They also pollute but that is not on the agenda other than new builds.
My house central heating system consumes 3,500 litres of heating oil every two years, there's no filter or ad blue in the chimney. It makes more sense for me to fit solar panels and batteries to supplement that system with electricity to heat water and eventually replace it than spend however much on an electric car to do between four and five thousand miles/year. Last year both cars consumed a total 730 litres of fuel vs 1,750 for the house. Sometimes it's the perspective that's missing, that and the fact I don't like SUVs and almost every new BEV appears to be a "look at me" SUV, CUV, MAV or spacehopper.
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Post by Rob on Mar 29, 2022 16:30:21 GMT
So if you're heating system uses 3,500 of oil (basically diesel) every 2 years then that's 3.8 litres a day... not even a gallon a day. Admittedly without any filters etc. and I doubt the emissions are anywhere near as clean as even your old Volvo. Probably similar oil consumption to someone with a diesel doing 20,000 miles per year?
I'm with you on BEVs nearly all looking like SUVs which is why I live some of the Audi's for example.
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Post by dixinormus on Mar 29, 2022 18:02:06 GMT
Nailed it bpg.
And if we all drive less, then vehicular pollution will become less of an issue, whereas we constantly need more homes (and heating) for everyone.
Meanwhile itās hard to better diesel for transporting large or heavy objects, including larger family cars and SUVs.
When do we tackle the air transport industry, with their polluting aircraft running on VAT-free avgas?
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Post by WDB on Mar 30, 2022 9:42:07 GMT
It really isnāt hard to better diesel. Most of the fuel used even in those large machines is still turned into heat and noise. Electric motors donāt do that, and donāt have a carbon-heavy distribution chain either.
Aviation will require international consensus, because the first country to tax aviation fuel (Jet A; Avgas is for Pipers and Spitfires) risks simply putting its own carriers out of business. But while aviation is a high-profile emitter, itās small next to electricity and home heating. On the other hand, most people donāt fly at all, so itās more about changing the behaviour of those that do, which a change in taxation might do.
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Post by dixinormus on Mar 30, 2022 20:27:46 GMT
It must be hard to better diesel because nobody has done it yet?! Buses, trucks, trains, bulldozers, shipping,... all heavily reliant on diesel with only token electric breakthroughs so far. Admittedly most of these large machines are only getting single figure mpg at best.
Anything over 50mpg is good in my book, Humph. Certainly not worth forking out 50 grand for your Mercās electric equivalent (GL-something)!
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Post by Rob on Mar 30, 2022 21:21:21 GMT
JCB are working on hydrogen for their engines which are based on the existing diesel units.
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